Do you observe the Sabbath?

If you asked nearly all Christians if you had to be sinless to be in a saved state they would respond ‘’No’’ for they know they are not sinless in their flesh (1John1:8)
However, if you asked the same people if you could freely live a lifestyle of sin, or be a slave to sin, where sin completely dominates your life and still be in a saved state, they would also respond ‘’No’’ (1John3:5-9)

I don't believe the SDA church would be a good fit for me for a variety of other deal breakers, but I do agree with them that if there is a church day it should be Saturday, not Sunday.

I'm guessing you're probably a Southern or Independent Baptist based off the things you said. A close second may be Lutheran and least likely is Pentecostal, but I haven't ruled it out.

Yes. That's essentially the narrow and difficult path of faith that Jesus talked about. A very particular way leads to life and any deviation from that path leads to destruction.

Matthew 7
13“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

God is looking for people who want to be like Jesus, holy, and righteous.

Another confusing post of yours.

The sabbath is a Saturday and that is a rest day. Your calling the sabbath day a church day?

Jesus rose on the third day, Sunday. That is why the church has always met on Sunday.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the early church gathered on Sunday.

I am amazed at how the sabbath day folk contort the scripture, in order to follow the law.

Paul says, your under grace and not under the law. Well, 'the law' in this instance must be the ceremonial law?

That does not even make sense, the law is always the whole law.

Yes. That's essentially the narrow and difficult path of faith that Jesus talked about. A very particular way leads to life and any deviation from that path leads to destruction.

Matthew 7
13“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

God is looking for people who want to be like Jesus, holy, and righteous.

Does that sound like the good news?

Become a Christian today but I warn you, it is a very difficult path and few make it.

That sure sounds like the most depressing news I have ever heard.

Anyone who calls on the name of Jesus will be saved. Paul must be telling a big, fat lie.

It is always important to understand to whom Jesus was speaking. In this case He was speaking to (unsaved) Jews.

If one is a Christian, i.e., in Christ, then they are guided by the Holy Spirit. There is no striving to enter "the narrow gate" The way is not narrow nor does being in Christ lead to destruction. Rather, it leads to eternal life.

Another confusing post of yours as well.



You still don't seem to understand what the Sabbath is.



No. Jesus was crucified Wednesday and rose Saturday evening.



There's two examples and they are descriptive of a particular not, not prescriptive of something the churches needs to pattern their existence off of.



But that's what you're doing.

The Sabbath, along with the other commandments, are parts of the Law that you are required to keep. Arguing until you're blue in the face will get you no where. The New Testament commands aren't changing any time soon.



That's an oversimplification. You're under grace and not law if you're walking in the Spirit. Read Galatians 5 again.



You don't seem to understand what grace is. People are under grace so they can make mistakes and continue serving God. People aren't under grace so they can violate God's commandments as much as they want.

The Sabbath, along with the other commandments, are parts of the Law that you are required to keep. Arguing until you're blue in the face will get you no where. The New Testament commands aren't changing any time soon.







You don't seem to understand what grace is. People are under grace so they can make mistakes and continue serving God. People aren't under grace so they can violate God's commandments as much as they want.

You know Paul referred to the ten commandments as ''the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation'' don't you? And to obey that law requires obedience to the law relating to the inner man, the law only you and God need know you break

This is what Paul taught regarding the commandments. His words are to keep them because we are supposed to love God and our neighbor. Jesus taught the same things. The commandments are required.

Romans 13
8Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love. For he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9The commandments “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and any other commandments, are summed up in this one decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10Love does no wrong to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

1 Corinthians 7
17Regardless, each one should lead the life that the Lord has assigned to him and to which God has called him. This is what I prescribe in all the churches. 18Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man still uncircumcised when called? He should not be circumcised. 19Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commandments is what counts.

The thing is, when I was growing up, in the church I was raised in, it was relentlessly stressed how good /holy a life we must live. And many stated ‘’You must obey the ten commandments’’ And whenever these things were mentioned, my thoughts turned to the inner me. I knew I was far from perfect on the inside. I had just reached puberty after all. And I wasn’t a fool, sin is sin, whether it is committed on the inside, where no one but you and God need know of it, or on the outside where everyone can see it. And it was relentlessly stated sin must stop if we want to be in a saved state. I tell you the truth, no word of a lie, I feared those impure thoughts when they came, I did not want to end up in hell. And the more I feared them the worse they got. I was breaking the ten commandments. In the end, to use a greek expression I became full of all manner of concupiscence. I had felt alive before I made a personal commitment to Christ, a normal healthy kid, but not afterwards. For then sin revived(or sin consciousness sprang to life) and I died/felt condemned. The commandments that I believed were ordained to life-if I obeyed them, instead brought death/condemnation, for I could not keep them. I knew the law was holy, just and good, but sin worked death in me through the law/ten commandments, and by the law sin made me exceeding sinfull. Basically, I tried to attain to heaven as Saul the Pharisee tried to attain to heaven, so I got the same result he got:
I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. Rom7:7-13

That's what grace is for.

One of he major differences between the old covenenant and the new covenant is that under the old covenant the instantaneous, no ifs, ands, or buts wage of sin is death. People could sin in the old covenant and know they are guaranteed to not be saved.

The new covenant, there is something called grace. The idea is that you can have failures, repent, and keeping pursuing righteousness with the result being you remain in God's grace and in the end receive eternal life.

The Christian path is often described as a race, more like a marathon that requires endurance rather than a short sprint.

Romans 2
7To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life

Do you see that if people make a blanket statement ''You must obey the ten commandments'' the obvious question is. ''What happens if I don't obey them'' What would the response be from someone who continually stated you must obey them? They will respond ''If you don't obey the ten commandments you cannot be in a saved state.'' I'm sorry, but I don't believe people who make that statement consider themselves guilty of breaking the ten commandments if they do so on the inside. Because if they know they do not obey the ten commandments themselves, surely they should not be making blanket statemnts to others those commands must be obeyed to remain saved.

My intention is not to give you the impression I'm some sort of flawless being who never sins. We all sin and fall short of God's glory sometimes intentionally, sometimes unintentionally, sometimes ignorantly. We aren't going to find any perfect messengers of the Bible so I don't think it's fair to accept or reject something someone says based on whether or not they have sinned or do sin.

The old "you sinned so I don't have to listen to you" excuse isn't really something we should cling to much to or we may as well reject everything Paul, Peter, James, Matthew, Mark, Luke John, and Jude said because each of them had their own sins.

So I just implore you to think about it, pray about it, read about it. I hope you atleast consider what I showed you in the Bible.

I appreciate what you are saying, and I am not out to attack you personally, Im just making a general point. No one can obey the letter of the ten commandments, we all stand guilty before that letter. So, if someone states you must obey the ten commandments to remain saved, they are preaching a message they do not attain to in their own life. It has had serious consequences for many

You must do God's will to be saved. It involves trying, persistence, growth, and effort. People access God's grace through faith and continue to access Christ's sacrifice that purifies from all unrighteousness via confession and walking in the light. Walking in the light means you are not making a practice of sin. Confession is the idea that we tell God our mistakes and the point is we're going to keep trying to not make the mistakes, it's repentance, and it's how we stay in God's grace. If you fail it's ok, keep trying, don't give up.

All I can say is don't take my word for it, not that anyone does here, but rather take the Bible's word for it.

Matthew 7
21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’

Romans 2
7To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life.

Galatians 5
19The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; 20idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 John 1
7But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Well no NT writer wrote: ''You must obey the ten commandments to remain in a saved state'' And Paul did state the letter of those laws kills, it is the ministry of death and condemnation. Do you not think it would be better, if people want to stress ''You must obey the ten commandments'' they add to that they themselves do not fully obey that law, though they want to? If they do that, they will not run the risk of crushing anyone who may think they cannot be saved due to their imperfections regarding that law. Christ told us the will of the Father, he gave us many literal commands. I really do not understand why so many emphasise the ten commandments over and above the teaching of Christ in the gospels. How did Paul sum that teaching up? Carry each others burdens(love them) and so FULFILL the law of Christ Gal6:2. It is not loving anyone if you preach a message to them you do not attain to in your own life is it. Gal5:19-21. If you had one envious thought, does that mean you could not inherit the kingdom of God? Or is Paul speaking of living a lifestyle of the things mentioned? If you say to me. You cannot be a slave of sin/sin dominates your life and remain saved, I would agree with you btw

This is what Paul taught regarding the commandments. His words are to keep them because we are supposed to love God and our neighbor. Jesus taught the same things. The commandments are required.

Romans 13
8Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love. For he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9The commandments “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and any other commandments, are summed up in this one decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10Love does no wrong to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

1 Corinthians 7
17Regardless, each one should lead the life that the Lord has assigned to him and to which God has called him. This is what I prescribe in all the churches. 18Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man still uncircumcised when called? He should not be circumcised. 19Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commandments is what counts.

Paul's referring to judgement by the law. If anyone is judged by the law and found to have offended in a single point, they would be put to death.

Paul stated elsewhere we are not under law but under grace, meaning we are not judged by the law but judged by grace.

Grace is the idea you're still trying to do what's right. So even if you break the law, but you're under grace, you don't immediately receive a death sentence. Grace is your safety net to keep pursuing what's right. It doesn't mean abandon the 10 commandments as Jesus was quite clear it's easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

So the law, the 10 commandments specifically based off of what I have read in the New Testament, is still in effect and hasn't been put away with, hence why each of the 10 commandments are still taught in various places in the New Testament.

1) Do not worship any other gods (1 Corinthians 8:6; 1 Timothy 2:5)

2) Do not make idols (1 John 5:21)

3) Do not misuse the name of the LORD (1 Timothy 6:1)

4) Remember the sabbath day, keep it holy (Hebrews 4:9)

5) Honor your father and your mother (Ephesians 6:1–2)

6) Do not murder (Romans 13:9; 1 Peter 4:15)

7) Do not commit adultery (1 Corinthians 6:9–10)

8) Do not steal (Ephesians 4:28)

9) Do not give false testimony (Revelation 21:8)

10) Do not covet (Colossians 3:5)