It states there is a Sabbath rest for the people of God as opposed to what you seem to be stating which is "there is not a Sabbath for the people of God." So the evidence, based on Acts, and other parts of the New Testament, there is still a Sabbath rest. It was kept in the New Covenant by Christians. Hebrews 4:9 states it clearly.
Do you observe the Sabbath?
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Lets put it in context:
Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
If you can give me one verse of scripture from any NT writer that plainly states gentiles must observe a set saturday sabbath I would agree with you
Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
If you can give me one verse of scripture from any NT writer that plainly states gentiles must observe a set saturday sabbath I would agree with you
We've been over Heb4:9
Im sure you agree:
Sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4
Therefore:
Through the law we are conscious of sin Rom3:20
The law God desires us to follow is written in our minds and placed on our hearts under the new covenant. I have had much consciousness of sin in my heart and mind, but I have never had a consciousness of sin at failing to set aside a specific Saturday Sabbath. Which only leaves two possibilities. Either that law as written is not placed in the hearts and minds of gentile believers, or, I could not be a Christian.
Im sure you agree:
Sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4
Therefore:
Through the law we are conscious of sin Rom3:20
The law God desires us to follow is written in our minds and placed on our hearts under the new covenant. I have had much consciousness of sin in my heart and mind, but I have never had a consciousness of sin at failing to set aside a specific Saturday Sabbath. Which only leaves two possibilities. Either that law as written is not placed in the hearts and minds of gentile believers, or, I could not be a Christian.
In the New Covenant your sins are forgiven because you're under grace and not under the law. The blood of bulls and goats couldn't do what the blood of Christ did, the spotless lamb of God. The entire point of the instruction in the New Testament is telling people how to access this grace, this right standing with God, and it isn't through abandoning doing what's right and pleasing to God in order to sin as much as you want. I don't know why people seem to keep saying that because you aren't perfect then you shouldn't try. On the contrary, that's why God made it possible for His people to have grace. He's trying to help you.
As 1 John says:
7But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
If you walk in the light then and only then is the blood of God's Son Jesus Christ cleansing you from all sin. That's consistent with the New Testament narrative preached by Jesus, Paul, and others who are telling Christians, Jew or Gentile, for there is no distinction between race/ethnicity in Christ, to walk according to the Spirit and avoid sin.
As 1 John says:
7But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
If you walk in the light then and only then is the blood of God's Son Jesus Christ cleansing you from all sin. That's consistent with the New Testament narrative preached by Jesus, Paul, and others who are telling Christians, Jew or Gentile, for there is no distinction between race/ethnicity in Christ, to walk according to the Spirit and avoid sin.
The new covenant states:
The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[c]
18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary. Heb10:15-18
If the law is in your mind, you in your mind know the basics of how God wants you to live. If the law is in your heart, you in your heart want to live according to what has been placed in your heart. But you yourself acknowledge, walking in the light as a christian does not mean you will not commit sin/break God's laws. It is not an external law anymore engraved on tablets of stone for the believer, it is an internal law, which is in the heart of believers:
You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3
The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[c]
18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary. Heb10:15-18
If the law is in your mind, you in your mind know the basics of how God wants you to live. If the law is in your heart, you in your heart want to live according to what has been placed in your heart. But you yourself acknowledge, walking in the light as a christian does not mean you will not commit sin/break God's laws. It is not an external law anymore engraved on tablets of stone for the believer, it is an internal law, which is in the heart of believers:
You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3
I've been told by people here I can sin as much as I want. I could name names, link posts, etc but trust me it's happened. It's on the tip of many peoples' tongues as evidenced by the things they are saying. Many people won't just come right out and say it; maybe that's the Holy Spirit telling them to not cross a line, atleast I hope so.
Basically, no.
Hebrews 10
1For the law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves. It can never, by the same sacrifices offered year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2If it could, would not the offerings have ceased? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt the guilt of their sins.
3Instead, those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, 4because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5Therefore, when Christ came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
but a body You prepared for Me.
6In burnt offerings and sin offerings
You took no delight.
7Then I said, ‘Here I am, it is written about Me in the scroll:
I have come to do Your will, O God.’ ”
Hebrews 10
1For the law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves. It can never, by the same sacrifices offered year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2If it could, would not the offerings have ceased? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt the guilt of their sins.
3Instead, those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, 4because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5Therefore, when Christ came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
but a body You prepared for Me.
6In burnt offerings and sin offerings
You took no delight.
7Then I said, ‘Here I am, it is written about Me in the scroll:
I have come to do Your will, O God.’ ”
Great chapter. So we have the forgiveness of sins part taken care of, permanently. That's great. Anything else we need to know? Keep reading past the part you quoted from Hebrews 10.
Hebrews 10
26If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume all adversaries.
Starting to get the picture yet? Your sins are forgiven, but you aren't allowed to go on sinning willy-nilly like it's all good. You have grace to make mistakes, but not grace to just live in sin.
Hebrews 10
26If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume all adversaries.
Starting to get the picture yet? Your sins are forgiven, but you aren't allowed to go on sinning willy-nilly like it's all good. You have grace to make mistakes, but not grace to just live in sin.
There is a comparison being made between those who didn't believe in the literal seventh day sabbath and those who do believe in it, i.e., the people of God. God's people live by faith that what He said is true and to be followed.
In order for the comparison to be valid, the author of Hebrews didn't suddenly switch gears and say the literal seventh day Sabbath is spiritualized. He's talking about a literal seventh day Sabbath. Not anything else.
See below, the pattern of disobedience he's talking about is entering into a literal Sabbath.
Hebrews 4
11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.
In order for the comparison to be valid, the author of Hebrews didn't suddenly switch gears and say the literal seventh day Sabbath is spiritualized. He's talking about a literal seventh day Sabbath. Not anything else.
See below, the pattern of disobedience he's talking about is entering into a literal Sabbath.
Hebrews 4
11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.
I don't really know what thoughts you want me to share. I've already said there is a huge difference between someone who is not happy about sin though they commit it, and someone who deliberately pursues a lifestyle of sin. Concerning branches being cut off:
But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith verse20
Anyway, thanks for the chat, I've enjoyed it. I must go now, other things to do. God bless.
But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith verse20
Anyway, thanks for the chat, I've enjoyed it. I must go now, other things to do. God bless.
Happiness or unhappiness about sin isn't necessarily a good guide for discerning what's right.
You only quoted part of verse 20. Keeping reading:
20That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly not spare you either.
Thanks for the chat. Have a good one.
You only quoted part of verse 20. Keeping reading:
20That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly not spare you either.
Thanks for the chat. Have a good one.