Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

Total depravity is the fallen state of human beings as a result of original sin. The doctrine of total depravity
asserts that people are, as a result of the fall, not inclined or even able to love God wholly with heart, mind,
and strength, but rather are inclined by nature to serve their own will and desires and reject his rule. source

Of course the whole business of "Original SIN" is another myth. Adam's nature NEVER CHANGED he had a HUMAN NATURE before he sinned, and he had the same nature afterwards. You, I and Jesus have the SAME NATURE Adam had, and we follow James 1:14, and 15 to the letter - drawn away of our OWN LUST, and enticed (by guess who).

How do you explain Psalm 51:5...in sin did my mother conceive me...?

No problem - your mother was a SINNER, just like mine, and in the OLD TESTAMENT, NOBODY was cleansed of their Sin. That never occurred until Calvary.

Read the post RM and I exchanged 909. And we are talking total depravity, which is the issue.

I appreciate the response. So what exactly did happen when Adam and Eve sinned? What were the consequences?

Sin is the transgression of the Law. Depravity is the inability to do anything righteous. Only evil. And Calvinistic Total Depravity from TULIP is just baloney.

The consequences were that sin spread to all mankind.


Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. Romans 5:18

Sin is the transgression of the Law. Depravity is the inability to do anything righteous. Only evil. And Calvinistic Total Depravity from TULIP is just baloney.

Of course the whole business of "Original SIN" is another myth. Adam's nature NEVER CHANGED he had a HUMAN NATURE before he sinned, and he had the same nature afterwards. You, I and Jesus have the SAME NATURE Adam had, and we follow James 1:14, and 15 to the letter - drawn away of our OWN LUST, and enticed (by guess who).

Adam's nature NEVER CHANGED

But I'm allowed to ask my own questions just as you are, am I not?

And my question to you is can you offer a distinction between sin and depravity and provide examples?

But I'm allowed to make my point aren't I ? Your question is one you have a pat answer to or you wouldn't be asking it now would you? The Bible in no way teaches TD. Sin, yes. TD no.

Of course you are allowed to make your points.

When you respond asserting that I have "a pat answer etc" this indicates to me your defensiveness that you may not be able to answer my legitimate questions...and the fact that you haven't given any explanation but simply made very bold statements is further evidence that you may not be able to answer those questions.

And if you can't offer explanations then it's the case that you have a dogmatic view and not a position that can be reasonably explained.

So, you really need to address that issue and if you can't or won't do so you may just want to examine what it is you believe and why you believe what you believe.

By the way, what is a "pat" answer?

Depravity is actually the tendency towards self and not God.

And would you agree that we sinful humans are incapable of keeping that righteous Law and therefore in our natural i.e fallen state we are not righteous and are by nature evil?

That is not exactly what Calvinists believe.

You are correct when you say this because there is as much difference between Calvinists as there is for Baptists. But the basic tenets of Calvin have been greatly distorted as to be often unrecognizable. Most posters who speak of Calvinism are woefully unfamiliar with it. They are merely passing on information they have received
Everyone is open to constructive criticism, as is Calvin. I'm not a Calvinist. My objection is that people aren't taking the time to learn and make judgment based on what someone has actually proffered, and not what they heard somewhere.
I've read your posts. We don't always agree but I respect that you haven't come to your beliefs haphazardly, but by much prayer and study. I just think on this particular subject you could be better informed.

It has be said, "Calvin didn't know what Calvin believed."

His writings do reflect a meandering theology.

Meandering suggests you get there. It just takes longer and seems generally more enjoyable. What you sacrifice in time is compensated in quality of life.