Jesus is God

1 Cor 15:27
27For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

Do you see that God and Christ are two different persons in this verse alone? There is an entire network of verses and passages throughout the New Testament showing that Christ and God are different persons. What do you make of this verse that says God is not subordinate to Christ?

It isn't enough to refute modern Arianism because John 1:1-3 is clearly a parallel to Genesis 1 where God used His spoken words to create. The the word "word" being capitalized in John 1 is subjective and reflects the bias of the translators. In the original Koine Greek, only proper nouns were capitalized. Given that, a valid interpretation is that the "word" is that God's words are part of who He is and what He uses to create.

If that's so, then John 1:14 could be understood as follows: God used His words to create Jesus and God's words were manifested in Jesus who was full of grace and truth.

John 1:14
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

nor is Christ subordinate to God is my point, as they are "on the same level."

John 8:

54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”
57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

The verse you quoted says the Son will be made subject to God.

The verse you quoted says the Son will be made subject to God.

It isn't enough to refute modern Arianism because John 1:1-3 is clearly a parallel to Genesis 1 where God used His spoken words to create. The the word "word" being capitalized in John 1 is subjective and reflects the bias of the translators. In the original Koine Greek, only proper nouns were capitalized. Given that, a valid interpretation is that the "word" is that God's words are part of who He is and what He uses to create.

If that's so, then John 1:14 could be understood as follows: God used His words to create Jesus and God's words were manifested in Jesus who was full of grace and truth.

John 1:14
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Christ existed before Jesus was born. Christ proceedeth from the Father and sat on the right hand of the Father which means that all things created were by the Father through Christ. Of course, Christ is the God and Lord of all creation, but the Father is the one God of all. Christ existed in the form of God and as stated in Isaiah 43: 10 before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Since there was a time before the God of Isaiah 43: 10, he cannot be the one God of all because God has always existed and has no beginning. The beginning starts when Christ was formed. Christ has His own mind but perfectly obeys the Father's will. Christ was the Son of God before he lowered Himself to become human. The Father put all things under Christ's feet except Himself. Christ was under the command of the Father even while in Heaven because He was sent to die for us when He was in Heaven. Jesus said that all authority is given to Him in Heaven and on earth. It is the Father that has given Him this authority. The Father communicates with and empowers living beings through His Holy Spirit. ( John 12: 49-50, John 10: 37-38). Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus ( the ) Christ. who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ, It is the Father that has created our existence and has blessed us through His Son because when we are saved and receive His Holy Spirit, we become part of Christ's spiritual body and will be in Him as part of His body, and will be partakers of all the blessings that He will receive from the Father in Heaven.

1 Cor 15:27
27For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

Do you see that God and Christ are two different persons in this verse alone? There is an entire network of verses and passages throughout the New Testament showing that Christ and God are different persons. What do you make of this verse that says God is not subordinate to Christ?

nor is Christ subordinate to God is my point, as they are "on the same level."

Hi Runningman. Disagree. Jesus is the Word of God. That's proved in Revelation also:

"He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God." (Rev 19:13)

Jesus Christ is the Word of God. The Word of God created all things. Therefore, Jesus Christ is the Creator, and not a creature. The Greek word is Logos. Christ is the Logos, the Incarnate Word and Wisdom of God of whom Solomon speaks in Proverbs 8. This Word was always beside the Father, delighting in Him, like a Child beside His Father, as Learner showed earlier.

"Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." (1 Cor 1:24)

Was God ever without Wisdom? If not, then the Wisdom of God, Christ, is Co-Eternal with God. This was the theological argument that was so successful at the Council of Nicaea and resolved most of the doubts the Bishops had. 318 out of 320 Bishops signed the final decree and agreed Christ was truly God and Co-Eternal with God the Father. Colossians says all things were made by Him and for Him.

"16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. " (Colossians 1:16-17)

And yes, God the Father and God the Son (and God the Holy Spirit) are distinct Persons. But they are One Being/Essence/Nature. God and His Word and His Spirit are One Being, as you and your mind and heart are one being. Both the Word of the Father (Jesus) and the Spirit of the Father, and the Son, (the Holy Spirit) are in the Father, and One Being with Him eternally. The Spirit of God was never created. He can be blasphemed, so He is no creature, but the Creator. He is also a Person, not a "force" as the JWs say. He speaks and only Persons speak. John 14-16 is clear on that.

"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." (1 Jn 5:7, NKJV).

God Bless.

The verse you quoted says the Son will be made subject to God.

To me this is the most profound of all the I Am statements and what He was claiming was more than apparent to the Pharisees.

I forget, what texts say, they are "on the same level ?

The verse I consider saying this is easy for me to remember since it reflects the gematria of God's Name, YHVH, which is 26. Philippians 2:6
6Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.…

This says that Jesus did not come to be worshipped but as servant, ministering to the repair of the relationship between man and God. That is, He came as Son of Joseph, hated by his brothers although being the means to their salvation, and wasn't concerned about "throwing His weight around" at His first advent. However, He will show Himself as Son of David, the conquering King, at His second advent.