Jesus is God

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Jesus is a confusing guy to read sometimes because he's not only a temporal
being, but also an eternal being, i.e. both beings simultaneously.

According to John 1:1-14 and 1Cor 15:45-47, the eternal being was first,
and the temporal being later.

"Before Abraham was: I am"

That has to be referring to the eternal being because the temporal being
didn't come along till quite a few years after Abraham's day: in point fact,
the temporal being is listed in Abraham's genealogy (Matt 1:1) whereas the
eternal being has no genealogy because he's divine. (1John 1:1-2)
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• John 14:28 . . My Father is greater than I.

• 1Cor 15:28 . . The Son himself will be made subject to Him who put
everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

You know what's ironic? The Jehovah's Witnesses, who oppose Jesus' divine
status, have a far better grasp of his humanity than the average rank and
file pew warmer who can't seem to get it thru their thick skulls that Jesus was
an honest-to-gosh, verifiable, bona fides h.sapiens. They're typically okay
with him as a divine hominid, but not as a real man.
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I agree that Jesus was without sin.

Jesus is a confusing guy to read sometimes because he's not only a temporal
being, but also an eternal being

Good, that's why death couldn't keep hold of him, and he rose from the grave, that's why we need his righteousness imputed to us because we have sinned

I found a quote from J. oswald sanders i have never heard of him before today but i think you two would get on great

“The deity of Christ is the key doctrine of the scriptures. Reject it, and the Bible becomes a jumble of words without any unifying theme. Accept it, and the Bible becomes an intelligible and ordered revelation of God in the person of Jesus Christ.” J. Oswald Sanders

Interesting quote, but sinless perfection is the way Jesus is equal to God. That makes Jesus divine, of course, but God can’t be tempted. What I’m going to show you should be revelatory I hope.

Jesus wasn't crazy when he accepted worship. I would be crazy to accept it. I don't care if the question is rhetorical.

The disciples couldn't forgive sin of those who didn't directly sin against them. Peter couldn't say to John 'I forgive you' when another disciple offended them.

Jesus didn't have to say 'I am God' to show His deity.. it was in His actions and the way He referred to the Father.

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That's a good point and worth emphasizing.

For example the wise men are said to worship baby Jesus, but in their minds
he wasn't a deity, rather, he was a monarch born king of the Jews.

Another good example is Abraham. When negotiating for Sarah's gravesite,
he is said to "bow" to the Hittites. The Hebrew word is used more than once
in the Old Testament for worship.
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so Jesus and his spirit pray ? yeah because they are one

is Jesus seperate from his own spirit though ?

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I think it may be possible they have a trinity and don't know it. For example
in the first chapter of Genesis: there is God as himself, God as his spirit, and
God and his voice.

They may have a quad too. For example in the first chapter of Ezekiel,
Jehovah is portrayed as a plurality of four beings.
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“is when Jesus talks to the Father..”

right he had to become fully one of us which includes being subject to God , it’s an example for Gods children

But honestly brother consider

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: and thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭6:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 3-5, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ is the only place you can see the fullness of the one God manifest before your eyes

all the fullness of the godhead is manifest in Jesus the Christ

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, ( word made flesh ) and of the Holy Ghost:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:5

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus is God. Not a fellow of God not a relative of God he is the lord the one lord , he is the creator of all things

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s Jesus who did that we know because the New Testament makes it clear

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 3, 9-10‬

Many still don’t know him even though he came and made himself known

“Who is the image ( manifestation ) of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:15


some just don’t understand what God has done so they seperate his body and his spirit as two individuals but that’s like saying your spirit isn’t part of the one you it is the source of you and your body is like the home for your spirit it makes you a living soul just one soul not two

airs really as simple as acknowledging that God said he was going to come and dwell among us , said he would preach the gospel among us and intercede for mankind’s sin and save them from death if they believed and called upon his name

and then He fulfilled what he said he would do when Jesus was born and the time of the gospel occurred

I’m not sure how many Gods anyone else has but I have one who saw me lost in sin , came and introduced himself taught me and died for my sins and then returned to heaven victorious on my behalf he’s never been anything but what he is the one true and only God who’s done it all to save me the father son and Holy Ghost have one name because those three aspects are one God accomplishing salvation

a you may want to go back to believing in a single God that has given his own spirit to believers through faith in his manifestation on earth in the son Jesus Christ

because God isn’t three he’s one and has provided salvation through shedding his blood and giving his spirit birthing children for himself

True, but the Old Testament is clear that God doesn’t identify Himself as a man or a son of man. Some things may have been a mystery about the exact nature of God to the Israelites, but there no confusion about God being a man. Hence why when Jesus said he is the Son of God he wasn’t claiming to be God Almighty. All through the gospels Jesus defers his all honor and glory to his Father.

Long story short, people aren’t really understanding who Jesus is and salvation is possibly at stake, I’m not sure.

I won’t leave anyone without the answer, so here it is and people can decide what they’ll do with it.

Numbers 23
19God is not a man, that He should lie,
or a son of man, that He should change His mind.
Does He speak and not act?
Does He promise and not fulfill?

Hosea 11:9
9I will not execute the full fury of My anger;
I will not turn back to destroy Ephraim.
For I am God and not man—
the Holy One among you—
and I will not come in wrath.

John 8:40
40But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing.

Acts 2:22
22Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know.

1 Timothy 2:5
5For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus

Matthew 16:27
27For the Son of Man will come in His Father’s glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.

Luke 18:19
19“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

John 14:28
28“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

I know this is just one statement among others, but it is an eternally important one.
Jesus told the mainstream Jewish religious leaders at His time here,

John 8:24
"“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”

Jesus is God's Son, or God THE Son.
As God, He is infinitely far and above all of the arch angels. In fact, Jesus created them and everything in the universe around us. I'm going to take an educated guess that you were not taught this by your pastor growing up. We're you, by any chance, a Jehovah's witness at some time?

Okay, you're free to just lay out anything you feel like saying. Like I said, I agreed with a "good percentage" of what you said. I have a feeling we're going to understand who the Father and Son are completely different though. Don't worry, I'll provide scripture for everything I believe in as always.

Behold, I am sending My messenger before You, who will prepare Your way; the voice of one calling out in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way of the Lord.’”

Hear this, all peoples;
Give ear, all inhabitants of the world,
2 Both low and high,
Rich and poor together.
3 My mouth will speak wisdom,
And the meditation of my heart will be understanding.
4 I will incline my ear to a proverb;
I will [a]express my riddle on the harp.

5 Why should I fear in days of adversity,
When the iniquity of my [b]foes surrounds me,
6 Even those who trust in their wealth
And boast in the abundance of their riches?
7 No man can by any means redeem his brother
Or give to God a ransom for him—
8 For the redemption of [c]his soul is costly,
And he should cease trying forever—
9 That he should live on eternally,
That he should not [d]undergo decay.

10 For he sees that even wise men die;
The stupid and the senseless alike perish
And leave their wealth to others.
11 Their [e]inner thought is that their houses are forever
And their dwelling places to all generations;
They have called their lands after their own names.
12 But man in his [f]pomp will not endure;
He is like the [g]beasts that [h]perish.

13 This is the way of those who are foolish,
And of those after them who approve their words. [i]Selah.
14 As sheep they are appointed for [j]Sheol;
Death shall be their shepherd;
And the upright shall rule over them in the morning,
And their form shall be for [k]Sheol to consume
[l]So that they have no habitation.
15 But God will redeem my soul from the [m]power of [n]Sheol,
For He will receive me. Selah.

16 Do not be afraid when a man becomes rich,
When the [o]glory of his house is increased;
17 For when he dies he will carry nothing away;
His [p]glory will not descend after him.
18 Though while he lives he congratulates [q]himself—
And though men praise you when you do well for yourself—
19 [r]He shall go to the generation of his fathers;
They will never see the light.
20 Man in his [s]pomp, yet without understanding,
Is like the [t]beasts that [u]perish.

romans 8

Man had to die, So God became man took our place and defeated death on our behalf, He proved his righteousness even in the form of man tempted on all sides but without sin

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Your ignoring the reason that the word became flesh.

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Man needed a Saviour and only God is the Saviour Isaiah 43:, So God came and became the Saviour of man, by paying the debt with his own blood Acts 20:28

We don’t have to leave the first chapter to understand that Jesus is God's “beloved Son.” Mark's use of the Greek adjective ἀγαπητός (“only beloved”) is an example of what grammarians refer to as the “second attributive position.” Adjectives in this position receive particular stress; hence, in both Mark 1:11 and 9:7, God says that Jesus is “my Son, the uniquely beloved one.” The chief priests at Jesus’ trial understand this connotation of Jesus’ claim in the parable of the wicked tenants when He speaks of Himself as the Son of God’s love (12:6).

As in our other discussions, this further demonstrated that Jesus’ claim to be “the Son of God” was unique, and not akin to what the Jewish authorities claimed of themselves. Regarding the use of ἀγαπητός in 1:11, here is what the NET says in a foot note,



For God to say that that He is well pleased with the Lord Jesus (Mark 1:9-11) implies that Christ is absolutely good and morally pure—"for I always do what pleases Him" (John 8:29).

The story of Jesus and the rich young ruler is filled with echoes to Ps. 49. I cite Ps. 49 at length:



Jesus’ words in Mark 10:23-27 echoes Ps. 49:7. Ps. 49:7 states, “No man can by any means redeem his brother or give to God a ransom for him [his brother].” This is echoed in Jesus’ response (Mark 10:27) to the question raised in 10:26 (“Who then can be saved?”): “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.” Why can not a man redeem his brother? Ps. 49:8 provides the answer, “For the redemption of his soul is costly, and he should cease trying forever” (Ps. 49:8). Yet, Jesus claims, “For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many” (Mark 10:45). Jesus claimed to do (Mark 10:45) what He—echoing Ps. 49:7-8—just got done saying was humanly impossible (Mark 10:23-27).

Does that sound like Jesus is claiming to be less than absolutely good? Or is it an explicit testimony to Jesus being able to do only what God can do: Save human souls, because He is absolutely good?

In addition, consider the texts which speak of Christ as “the image of the invisible God” (Colossians 1:15), and “the exact representation” of God's being, essence, and character (Hebrews 1:3). Jesus is “not good,” but He is “the image of the invisible God” — “the exact representation” of God’s being, essence, and character? How does that even work?