Jesus is God

[Webers.Home]

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Jesus is a confusing guy to read sometimes because he's not only a temporal
being, but also an eternal being, i.e. both beings simultaneously.

According to John 1:1-14 and 1Cor 15:45-47, the eternal being was first,
and the temporal being later.

"Before Abraham was: I am"

That has to be referring to the eternal being because the temporal being
didn't come along till quite a few years after Abraham's day: in point fact,
the temporal being is listed in Abraham's genealogy (Matt 1:1) whereas the
eternal being has no genealogy because he's divine. (1John 1:1-2)
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[Mem]

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Jesus is a confusing guy to read sometimes because he's not only a temporal
being, but also an eternal being, i.e. both beings simultaneously.

According to John 1:1-14 and 1Cor 15:45-47, the eternal being was first,
and the temporal being later.

"Before Abraham was: I am"

That has to be referring to the eternal being because the temporal being
didn't come along till quite a few years after Abraham's day: in point fact,
the temporal being is listed in Abraham's genealogy (Matt 1:1) whereas the
eternal being has no genealogy because he's divine. (1John 1:1-2)
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Indeed. And how we are benefactors of His humility that effectively translates us into eternal beings just as He was/is/will be.

Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. (1John 3:2) and
...because as he is, so are we in this world. (1John 4:17)

 

[TheLearner]

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• John 14:28 . . My Father is greater than I.

• 1Cor 15:28 . . The Son himself will be made subject to Him who put
everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

You know what's ironic? The Jehovah's Witnesses, who oppose Jesus' divine
status, have a far better grasp of his humanity than the average rank and
file pew warmer who can't seem to get it thru their thick skulls that Jesus was
an honest-to-gosh, verifiable, bona fides h.sapiens. They're typically okay
with him as a divine hominid, but not as a real man.
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Historical Christians believes the He is fully Man and fully God

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one who brings God and human beings together, the man Christ Jesus,

 

[ThewindBlows]

I read this today, what do you think


Jesus was God in the form of man. That’s hard for people to swallow that, even today, that “He was God.” That’s what He was. He wasn’t nothing less than God. He was God manifested in flesh.”


“If Jesus is not God, then there is no Christianity, and we who worship Him are nothing more than idolaters. Conversely, if He is God, those who say He was merely a good man, or even the best of men, are blasphemers. More serious still, if He is not God, then He is a blasphemer in the fullest sense of the word. If He is not God, He is not even good.” J. Oswald Sanders

“If Jesus Christ is not true God, how could he help us? If he is not true man, how could he help us?” — Dietrich Bonhoeffer

 

[ThewindBlows]

I agree that Jesus was without sin.

Good, that's why death couldn't keep hold of him, and he rose from the grave, that's why we need his righteousness imputed to us because we have sinned

I found a quote from J. oswald sanders i have never heard of him before today but i think you two would get on great

“The deity of Christ is the key doctrine of the scriptures. Reject it, and the Bible becomes a jumble of words without any unifying theme. Accept it, and the Bible becomes an intelligible and ordered revelation of God in the person of Jesus Christ.” J. Oswald Sanders

 

[ThewindBlows]

Jesus is a confusing guy to read sometimes because he's not only a temporal
being, but also an eternal being

John 10: 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Don't get confused with the Simplicity that is in Christ, The word came flesh and dwelt among us, God was in Christ Saving man, You have to believe Gods Word, Faith in Gods promises And everything we need now and in the future is through Jesus who is the Title the Word of God

Jesus Christ God’s Son died for us. Jesus rose from the grave for us, Jesus represents us, Jesus is for us. Jesus will raise us up when we die.

You need to trust the word of God will complete evrything God Said, And he did it through his Christ, Jesus, His only begotten Son

 

[Runningman]

Good, that's why death couldn't keep hold of him, and he rose from the grave, that's why we need his righteousness imputed to us because we have sinned

I found a quote from J. oswald sanders i have never heard of him before today but i think you two would get on great

“The deity of Christ is the key doctrine of the scriptures. Reject it, and the Bible becomes a jumble of words without any unifying theme. Accept it, and the Bible becomes an intelligible and ordered revelation of God in the person of Jesus Christ.” J. Oswald Sanders

Interesting quote, but sinless perfection is the way Jesus is equal to God. That makes Jesus divine, of course, but God can’t be tempted. What I’m going to show you should be revelatory I hope.

Matthew 4:1
1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

Hebrews 4:15
15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.

James 1:13
13When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;

 

[ThewindBlows]

Interesting quote, but sinless perfection is the way Jesus is equal to God. That makes Jesus divine, of course, but God can’t be tempted. What I’m going to show you should be revelatory I hope.

Man had to die, So God became man took our place and defeated death on our behalf, He proved his righteousness even in the form of man tempted on all sides but without sin

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Your ignoring the reason that the word became flesh.

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Man needed a Saviour and only God is the Saviour Isaiah 43:, So God came and became the Saviour of man, by paying the debt with his own blood Acts 20:28

 

[TheLearner]

Jesus wasn't crazy when he accepted worship. I would be crazy to accept it. I don't care if the question is rhetorical.

The disciples couldn't forgive sin of those who didn't directly sin against them. Peter couldn't say to John 'I forgive you' when another disciple offended them.

Jesus didn't have to say 'I am God' to show His deity.. it was in His actions and the way He referred to the Father.

Hebrews 1:6
But when God was about to send his first-born Son into the world, he said, “All of God's angels must worship him.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 7&version=GNT

 

[TheLearner]

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That's a good point and worth emphasizing.

For example the wise men are said to worship baby Jesus, but in their minds
he wasn't a deity, rather, he was a monarch born king of the Jews.

Another good example is Abraham. When negotiating for Sarah's gravesite,
he is said to "bow" to the Hittites. The Hebrew word is used more than once
in the Old Testament for worship.
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tired, what did you say again

 

[TheLearner]

so Jesus and his spirit pray ? yeah because they are one

is Jesus seperate from his own spirit though ?

Someone was teaching that the members of the godhead, Trinity are just masks. The fact, that the Holy Spirit and Jesus prays to the Father, makes them seperate persons, not just one person.

 

[TheLearner]

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I think it may be possible they have a trinity and don't know it. For example
in the first chapter of Genesis: there is God as himself, God as his spirit, and
God and his voice.

They may have a quad too. For example in the first chapter of Ezekiel,
Jehovah is portrayed as a plurality of four beings.
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https://books.google.com/books?id=Q...=2ahUKEwji0vnz3tn7AhVImmoFHTQYB1kQ6AF6BAgJEAI
https://jewsforjesus.org/learn/the-trinity-based-on-the-hebrew-scriptures
aside: what are the Two Powers in Heaven?
https://www.menorah.org/trinity1.html
https://www.shema.com/the-jewishness-of-the-trinity-248/
https://www.menorah.org/trinity1.html

 

[TheLearner]

“is when Jesus talks to the Father..”

right he had to become fully one of us which includes being subject to God , it’s an example for Gods children

But honestly brother consider

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: and thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭6:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 3-5, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ is the only place you can see the fullness of the one God manifest before your eyes

all the fullness of the godhead is manifest in Jesus the Christ

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, ( word made flesh ) and of the Holy Ghost:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:5

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus is God. Not a fellow of God not a relative of God he is the lord the one lord , he is the creator of all things

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s Jesus who did that we know because the New Testament makes it clear

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 3, 9-10‬

Many still don’t know him even though he came and made himself known

“Who is the image ( manifestation ) of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:15


some just don’t understand what God has done so they seperate his body and his spirit as two individuals but that’s like saying your spirit isn’t part of the one you it is the source of you and your body is like the home for your spirit it makes you a living soul just one soul not two

airs really as simple as acknowledging that God said he was going to come and dwell among us , said he would preach the gospel among us and intercede for mankind’s sin and save them from death if they believed and called upon his name

and then He fulfilled what he said he would do when Jesus was born and the time of the gospel occurred

I’m not sure how many Gods anyone else has but I have one who saw me lost in sin , came and introduced himself taught me and died for my sins and then returned to heaven victorious on my behalf he’s never been anything but what he is the one true and only God who’s done it all to save me the father son and Holy Ghost have one name because those three aspects are one God accomplishing salvation

a you may want to go back to believing in a single God that has given his own spirit to believers through faith in his manifestation on earth in the son Jesus Christ

because God isn’t three he’s one and has provided salvation through shedding his blood and giving his spirit birthing children for himself

romans 8

 

[TheLearner]

True, but the Old Testament is clear that God doesn’t identify Himself as a man or a son of man. Some things may have been a mystery about the exact nature of God to the Israelites, but there no confusion about God being a man. Hence why when Jesus said he is the Son of God he wasn’t claiming to be God Almighty. All through the gospels Jesus defers his all honor and glory to his Father.

Long story short, people aren’t really understanding who Jesus is and salvation is possibly at stake, I’m not sure.

I won’t leave anyone without the answer, so here it is and people can decide what they’ll do with it.

Numbers 23
19God is not a man, that He should lie,
or a son of man, that He should change His mind.
Does He speak and not act?
Does He promise and not fulfill?

Hosea 11:9
9I will not execute the full fury of My anger;
I will not turn back to destroy Ephraim.
For I am God and not man—
the Holy One among you—
and I will not come in wrath.

John 8:40
40But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing.

Acts 2:22
22Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know.

1 Timothy 2:5
5For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus

Matthew 16:27
27For the Son of Man will come in His Father’s glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.

Luke 18:19
19“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

John 14:28
28“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Nothing like taking the OT out of context.

 

[TheLearner]

I know this is just one statement among others, but it is an eternally important one.
Jesus told the mainstream Jewish religious leaders at His time here,

John 8:24
"“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”

Jesus is God's Son, or God THE Son.
As God, He is infinitely far and above all of the arch angels. In fact, Jesus created them and everything in the universe around us. I'm going to take an educated guess that you were not taught this by your pastor growing up. We're you, by any chance, a Jehovah's witness at some time?

not keeping up

 

[williamjordan]

Okay, you're free to just lay out anything you feel like saying. Like I said, I agreed with a "good percentage" of what you said. I have a feeling we're going to understand who the Father and Son are completely different though. Don't worry, I'll provide scripture for everything I believe in as always.

I apologize for not responding sooner. I have been in recovery mode from surgery these past several months and have felt out of it these past couple days. The thread has almost doubled in size since my last post, so it seems like I have a lot of catching up to do.

Pertaining to our discussion, I wanted to draw focus to Mark 1:1-3,

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, just as it is written in Isaiah the prophet:

Behold, I am sending My messenger before You, who will prepare Your way; the voice of one calling out in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way of the Lord.’”

I want to draw your attention to the punctuation in v. 1. Not all translations do this, but as I will argue, this is how it should be rendered: With a comma between “the Son of God” and “just as it is written in Isaiah the prophet.” The phrase “just as,” as explained in Guelich’s commentary on Mark,

“1:2 clearly requires a close syntactical relationship with 1:1. First, καθὼς [‘just as’] never introduces a sentence in either Mark or the rest of the NT documents except in the unrelated καθὼς/οὕτως combination… . Second, when καθὼς occurs in a formula with γέγραπται, it always refers to the preceding rather than to the succeeding material… .” (Mark, Vol. 1, p. 7)

The phrase “just as it is written” is introducing something that explains what was just said. What does it mean to speak of “the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God”? Who is Jesus, and what is this “gospel” that is about Him? That is what Mark is going to explain to us in vv. 2-3 when he quotes the prophet. Rodney Decker explains,

“A Scripture citation formula, here with connotations of prophetic fulfillment; elsewhere the formula always explains what precedes by a quotation from the OT which normally follows the formula. If the pattern holds here, then the quotation in verses 2-3 explain the title (v. 1).” (Mark 1-8: A Handbook on the Greek Text, p. 3)

This reiterates the point made from Guelich. Whenever the Greek phrase καθὼς γέγραπται is used, it always introduces a quotation that explains what was just said before it.

In his explanation of v. 1, Mark (1:2-3) cites from two sources: Malachi 3:1, and Isaiah 40:13. Let’s first consider Malachi 3:1,

“Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming,” says the Lord of hosts.

According to Malachi 3:1, it is the messenger that “will clear the way before Me.” The “Me” is clearly God; however, Mark makes a very subtle adjustment: Whereas Malachi 3:1 it mentions only “God” and “the messenger,” Mark introduces a third person into the text,

“Behold, I am sending My messenger before You,Who will prepare Your way;”

Mark adds the words πρὸ προσώπου σου (“before You”) after ἄγγελόν (“messenger”) in the first half of the passage, and alters (if we follow the LXX) the later half of the verse from καὶ ἐπιβλέψεται ὁδὸν πρὸ προσώπου μου (“and he will clear the way before Me”) to ὃς κατασκευάσει τὴν ὁδόν σου (“who will prepare Your way”). This goes to show that Mark is making a distinction between the speaker (God), and this third person which—according to Mark—God is speaking of. It is of interest that in the latter half of Malachi 3:1, God does go on to speak of a third person,

“Then suddenly the Lord (ha adon) you are seeking will come to his temple”

Here God speaks of someone other than Himself, who is numerically distinct from Himself, as ha adon, a term which is only ever used of YHWH. Aside from this one occurrence found in Malachi, the remainder of occurrences are found in Isaiah (1:24, 3:1, 10:16, 10:33, 19:4), the very OT book which Mark goes on to cite in v. 3. This is one of the thematic connections that bridge together Mark’s use of Malachi 3:1 and Isaiah 40:3.

The way Mark’s presents this, is that this is not simply a citation of the OT, but this is Mark telling us what the Father said to the Son prior to the sending of John. Before John the Baptist ever appears on the scene of history; before Jesus is ever spoken of as a figure in the narrative; before we even get to the narrative in and of itself, Mark cites Malachi 3:1 and gives it a prosopological cast. But then Mark then goes on to immediately cite Isaiah 40:3 in the following verse (v. 3),

“The voice of one calling out in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, Make His paths straight!’”

Right after citing these verses, Mark introduces their fulfillment: John the Baptist is the “messenger” of Malachi 3:1/Isaiah 40:3 and “the voice of one calling out in the wilderness” (Isaiah 40:3 cf. Mark 1:4-8), who prepared the way for the coming one, “the Lord” Jesus Christ. Mark’s use of Κυρίου (“the Lord”) is not a generic one; but is frequently used in place of the Divine Name. That Mark cites Isaiah 40:3 which does speak of preparing “the way of YHWH” only confirms the point. Isaiah uses the Divine Name; whereas Mark, in conformity with the LXX and Jewish practice, uses Κυρίου as a substitute to the Divine Name.

Putting this all together shows that for Mark, “the Son of God” is distinct from God (hence, the reason for his alteration of Malachi 3:1), but that this Son of God also bears the Divine Name (hence, Isaiah 40:3).

It is through this lens that Mark tells his story.

(Continued...)

 

[williamjordan]

We don’t have to leave the first chapter to understand that Jesus is God's “beloved Son.” Mark's use of the Greek adjective ἀγαπητός (“only beloved”) is an example of what grammarians refer to as the “second attributive position.” Adjectives in this position receive particular stress; hence, in both Mark 1:11 and 9:7, God says that Jesus is “my Son, the uniquely beloved one.” The chief priests at Jesus’ trial understand this connotation of Jesus’ claim in the parable of the wicked tenants when He speaks of Himself as the Son of God’s love (12:6).

As in our other discussions, this further demonstrated that Jesus’ claim to be “the Son of God” was unique, and not akin to what the Jewish authorities claimed of themselves. Regarding the use of ἀγαπητός in 1:11, here is what the NET says in a foot note,

The force of ἀγαπητός (agapētos) is often “pertaining to one who is the only one of his or her class, but at the same time is particularly loved and cherished” (L&N 58.53; cf. also BDAG 7 s.v. 1).

For God to say that that He is well pleased with the Lord Jesus (Mark 1:9-11) implies that Christ is absolutely good and morally pure—"for I always do what pleases Him" (John 8:29).

The story of Jesus and the rich young ruler is filled with echoes to Ps. 49. I cite Ps. 49 at length:

Hear this, all peoples;
Give ear, all inhabitants of the world,
2 Both low and high,
Rich and poor together.
3 My mouth will speak wisdom,
And the meditation of my heart will be understanding.
4 I will incline my ear to a proverb;
I will [a]express my riddle on the harp.

5 Why should I fear in days of adversity,
When the iniquity of my [b]foes surrounds me,
6 Even those who trust in their wealth
And boast in the abundance of their riches?
7 No man can by any means redeem his brother
Or give to God a ransom for him—
8 For the redemption of [c]his soul is costly,
And he should cease trying forever—
9 That he should live on eternally,
That he should not [d]undergo decay.

10 For he sees that even wise men die;
The stupid and the senseless alike perish
And leave their wealth to others.
11 Their [e]inner thought is that their houses are forever
And their dwelling places to all generations;
They have called their lands after their own names.
12 But man in his [f]pomp will not endure;
He is like the [g]beasts that [h]perish.

13 This is the way of those who are foolish,
And of those after them who approve their words. [i]Selah.
14 As sheep they are appointed for [j]Sheol;
Death shall be their shepherd;
And the upright shall rule over them in the morning,
And their form shall be for [k]Sheol to consume
[l]So that they have no habitation.
15 But God will redeem my soul from the [m]power of [n]Sheol,
For He will receive me. Selah.

16 Do not be afraid when a man becomes rich,
When the [o]glory of his house is increased;
17 For when he dies he will carry nothing away;
His [p]glory will not descend after him.
18 Though while he lives he congratulates [q]himself—
And though men praise you when you do well for yourself—
19 [r]He shall go to the generation of his fathers;
They will never see the light.
20 Man in his [s]pomp, yet without understanding,
Is like the [t]beasts that [u]perish.

Jesus’ words in Mark 10:23-27 echoes Ps. 49:7. Ps. 49:7 states, “No man can by any means redeem his brother or give to God a ransom for him [his brother].” This is echoed in Jesus’ response (Mark 10:27) to the question raised in 10:26 (“Who then can be saved?”): “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.” Why can not a man redeem his brother? Ps. 49:8 provides the answer, “For the redemption of his soul is costly, and he should cease trying forever” (Ps. 49:8). Yet, Jesus claims, “For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many” (Mark 10:45). Jesus claimed to do (Mark 10:45) what He—echoing Ps. 49:7-8—just got done saying was humanly impossible (Mark 10:23-27).

Does that sound like Jesus is claiming to be less than absolutely good? Or is it an explicit testimony to Jesus being able to do only what God can do: Save human souls, because He is absolutely good?

In addition, consider the texts which speak of Christ as “the image of the invisible God” (Colossians 1:15), and “the exact representation” of God's being, essence, and character (Hebrews 1:3). Jesus is “not good,” but He is “the image of the invisible God” — “the exact representation” of God’s being, essence, and character? How does that even work?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

romans 8

Yes that’s sort of my point God became our intercessor because there was no man to intercede. That’s Jesus the son out intercessor God made flesh and blood.

He is the Father , the son and Holy Ghost manifest in one body and in one name.

Father and son

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

spirit

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Same spirit

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Same spirit

“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Same spirit

“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

are there three holy spirits or just one ? Is The spirit of God , the spirit of his son ? Is that the holy spirit ?

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When you realize that the Holy Ghost is Gods spirit the spirit in Jesus Christ our lord this should be the revelation

“At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father,

and ye in me, ( son )

and I in you.”( holy spirit )
‭‭John‬ ‭14:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Notice Jesus is saying” I “ in each “I am , “ in me “ I in “

jesus is the name of the father the son and the Holy Ghost because he is one and there are three functions needed to restore us to his children

We needed atonement

And the spirit of a perfect son of man to restore our corrupt spirit

And needed to know the father and hear his word of eternal life

a Jesus did all of that he atoned for our sins , gave us a new spirit , and introduced himself so we can know the true God and be “ in him “

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Roman’s 8 is a great chapter look here also to understand the intercession better

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember I quoted to you from Isaiah when God looked down and found no man to intercede for mankind ? And so it displeased him and he declared he would put on his garments and helmet and breastplate and would come to redeem man and intercede for them ?

romans 8 is among many other new testsment chapters exolaining tbat he did it God really did become one of us he really was “ manifest in the flesh of Jesus Christ the son “ in order to save man and restore our living spirit and rightful inheritance as his children

aim not really understanding how Roman’s 8 somehow proves Godnis not one being manifest in Jesus christ and shared with us by his spirit

a whether we say the Holy Spirit , the spirit of gods son , the spirit of Christ , the spirit of God ect

a there’s just one spirit because there’s just the one and only God who has made himself known in Jesus the son of God

i must not be expressing what I’m saying well or something sorry brother about that

 

[Runningman]

Man had to die, So God became man took our place and defeated death on our behalf, He proved his righteousness even in the form of man tempted on all sides but without sin

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Your ignoring the reason that the word became flesh.

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

What I quoted is pertinent to the point I was making. Hebrews goes to length to discuss the superiority of the sacrifce of Jesus because he was spotless. The perfection of the sacrifice was related to it's quality. It's all in Hebrews, but long story short the sinlessness of Jesus makes him the perfect sacrifice.

Man needed a Saviour and only God is the Saviour Isaiah 43:, So God came and became the Saviour of man, by paying the debt with his own blood Acts 20:28

Jesus is the "Lamb of God" per John 1:29. This means that Jesus is God's lamb, the sacrifice that God prepared for the world.

Peter expands on what Acts 20:28 says. It's clear that God offers redemption with the blood of Christ, a lamb without spot or blemish, so that through Jesus we can believe in God. God raised Jesus from the dead.

1 Peter 1
18For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your forefathers, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or spot. 20He was known before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in the last times for your sake.
21Through Him you believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and glorified Him; and so your faith and hope are in God.

 

[CS1]

We don’t have to leave the first chapter to understand that Jesus is God's “beloved Son.” Mark's use of the Greek adjective ἀγαπητός (“only beloved”) is an example of what grammarians refer to as the “second attributive position.” Adjectives in this position receive particular stress; hence, in both Mark 1:11 and 9:7, God says that Jesus is “my Son, the uniquely beloved one.” The chief priests at Jesus’ trial understand this connotation of Jesus’ claim in the parable of the wicked tenants when He speaks of Himself as the Son of God’s love (12:6).

As in our other discussions, this further demonstrated that Jesus’ claim to be “the Son of God” was unique, and not akin to what the Jewish authorities claimed of themselves. Regarding the use of ἀγαπητός in 1:11, here is what the NET says in a foot note,



For God to say that that He is well pleased with the Lord Jesus (Mark 1:9-11) implies that Christ is absolutely good and morally pure—"for I always do what pleases Him" (John 8:29).

The story of Jesus and the rich young ruler is filled with echoes to Ps. 49. I cite Ps. 49 at length:



Jesus’ words in Mark 10:23-27 echoes Ps. 49:7. Ps. 49:7 states, “No man can by any means redeem his brother or give to God a ransom for him [his brother].” This is echoed in Jesus’ response (Mark 10:27) to the question raised in 10:26 (“Who then can be saved?”): “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.” Why can not a man redeem his brother? Ps. 49:8 provides the answer, “For the redemption of his soul is costly, and he should cease trying forever” (Ps. 49:8). Yet, Jesus claims, “For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many” (Mark 10:45). Jesus claimed to do (Mark 10:45) what He—echoing Ps. 49:7-8—just got done saying was humanly impossible (Mark 10:23-27).

Does that sound like Jesus is claiming to be less than absolutely good? Or is it an explicit testimony to Jesus being able to do only what God can do: Save human souls, because He is absolutely good?

In addition, consider the texts which speak of Christ as “the image of the invisible God” (Colossians 1:15), and “the exact representation” of God's being, essence, and character (Hebrews 1:3). Jesus is “not good,” but He is “the image of the invisible God” — “the exact representation” of God’s being, essence, and character? How does that even work?

You are really saying a lot using smoke screens.

Real simple question, Is Jesus God or not, from your understanding, and is the son of God the same as God or not?