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There is good study on gay twins that support the idea that homosexuality is not genetic in the sense of being born that way. It did prove that environment has a lot to do with it. Environmental factors can harm us as well like damage to the brain or how some environments damages our genetic code. In relation to the sudden rise in LGBT girls it seems to be more peer pressure than legitimate dysphoria.
twin studies provide some of the most reliable evidence that sexual orientation is inborn
 

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What he is referring to is a universal moral law. Who provides a universal transcending moral law? Where do these laws come from? Are they invented? If so why not invent more? Are the discovered? Thomas Jefferson believed so when he said they were self evident. If self evident then they are there from the start and not learned.

Obviously, the Christian is told who authored the moral law and set laws in motion. This truth, is what make me objectively say someone is wrong or right. Then we are also told to obey God rather than men so God's law is higher than man's law. Of course, for the Christian this has meant persecution, beatings, imprisonment, and death.

One day you or people you love may see the results of Christian apathy.

If we say the human mind is the author of morality then you only have opinions as we see humans are very prone to rape or murder, it happens everyday. Human well being is subjective. In survival my well being is to be stronger than the other guy.
Well yeah but that goes back to my point. A person who needs scripture to tell him is wrong to murder and rape is just a sociopath on a leash
It really just comes down to empathy. I don't want to be murdered or raped so I'm not going to murder or rape someone.
A friend of mine on Facebook who is Christian told me that if he really believed there was no God he would be running around just going crazy and doing whatever but I don't think he really would. Because I think he's probably a good person anyway and wouldn't do that
I know I mentioned this earlier but there is evidence that suggests that empathy may be a product of mirror neurons
 
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Since I taught the subject for more than ten years, why don't you just tell me how survival of the fittest does not suggest that homosexuals would not be a genetically favored trait? Also explain why identical twins separated at birth would not both be homosexual instead of just one.


survival of the fittest, term made famous in the fifth edition (published in 1869) of On the Origin of Species by British naturalist Charles Darwin, which suggested that organisms best adjusted to their environment are the most successful in surviving and reproducing.
your claim to be a teacher is disturbing when coupled with your lack of knowledge of basic genetics. It is common knowledge that while identical twins share identical genes they are not identical, most genetic traits don't replicate themselves in identical twins, its called a concordance factor
Eye color in identical twins as a concordance of 98%, not 100% Meaning for every 100 sets of identical twins two of those sets will have twins with different eye color.
Left handed has a concordance of 80%
Ankylosing spondylitis 63%
Type 1 diabetes is 32%
Rheumatoid arthritis 12%
Myasthenia gravis 40%
Multiple sclerosis 30%

The concordance rate of homosexuality in identical twins is between 55 and 65% This is a very high number
 
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The fact is that abortion is killing black babies 5x faster than white babies. I have no idea where the abortion clinics are, the fact is the abortions are clearly racists preferring to abort black babies.
the article you linked says different, maybe you should read it.
 
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The LGBT community and unexpected rise in LGBT youth
what rise?


could be linked to the psychological abuse of gender dysphoria groomed onto children. We see this already that many of these kids need therapy as an identity crisis is often the side effects of depression, anger towards themselves, wanting to fit in, and in this increasing age of social seclusion we see teen suicide up as well. There is a lot of trauma in this community and so often it involves physical, mental, verbal, environmental, and sexual harm as a kid.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/epigenetics-abuse/
considering the amount abuse and violence LGBT youth suffer form at the hands of their families once they are outed i think its the abuse causing the depression and anger and self image issues.
 

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Well I don't really want to derail the thread because it's post wasn't about abortions but the reason you see more abortions in African-American communities is doing a poverty and the reason you see more poverty in African American communities is systemic racism that goes all the way back to slavery and Jim Crow
 

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I think that this thread will become more popular than the Flat Earth thread.

Flat Earth thread is on season 10 already.
 

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twin studies provide some of the most reliable evidence that sexual orientation is inborn
Have you read the study? Definitely not. Gay gene has been debunked so many times. As to why gender is now fluent so they say.

Interesting though you would believe that. Just for a thought experiment. How would God judge LGBT sin if it was indeed inborn?
 

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I think that this thread will become more popular than the Flat Earth thread.

Flat Earth thread is on season 10 already.
Gosh I hope not. Not even sure why there is a debate on this topic for a Christian site. But I suppose this is good for discipleship and those who are not well equipped to give a defense on this topic.
 

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what rise?


considering the amount abuse and violence LGBT youth suffer form at the hands of their families once they are outed i think its the abuse causing the depression and anger and self image issues.
https://www.webmd.com/sex-relations...-rise-in-us-teens-identifying-as-gay-bisexual

Abuse? I see pampered.

As for youth. All youth have bullies in school. They probably get picked on because healthy thinking kids probably find it weird or funny. Kids can be mean and it doesn't help if you a dude wearing a dress.

Best thing is to get them therapy and teach against bullying at the same time.

Ex trans who have gone through sex change surgery often share the same testimony. The surgery did not fix what was wrong in the mind and often increased the thought of suicide.
 
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(You are engaging in special pleading, a logical fallacy, you are saying marriage is for fertility but you refuse to apply that rule to the infertile showing your position isn't about having children at all.)

My argument has been multiple variables not a single issue that isn't how this works. I never said it was just for fertility. You have to factor everything else in as well. When you do then it is obvious. You have had quite a bit of evidence thrown your way but refuse to see it. Question is what are you defending? Sin? Personal sin?
you have said that same sex marriage is wrong because they can't have children and you have said so many times but you have also denied that this should be applied to straight couples....special pleading


(false. Same sex marriage accounts for about 5% of all marriages but same ex divorce accounts for about 1.6% of all divorces. Ref UCLA school of law)

  • The average length of a first marriage that ends up in a divorce for men is 7.8 years. (Wilkinson & Finkbeiner, 2020)
  • For women, the average first marriage length that ends up in a divorce is 7.9 years. (Wilkinson & Finkbeiner, 2020)

  • Female couples made up 72% of same-sex divorces in 2019. (Marr, 2020)
  • according to the data set this Marr accessed, he office of National Statistics in 2019 there were 108421 divorces in England, almost exactly half the number of marriages. On the 108421 divorces 822 were between same sex couples. So of all the divorces that year 0.75% were same sex divorce. so you just demonstrated that England has an even lower rate of same sex Divorce than the United States and that your claim: "Homosexual divorce rates are extremely high" is just not true.

Members of the LGBT community are at increased risk for a number of health threats when compared to their heterosexual peers [1-5].

https://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/index.htm

Amazing that a biased government source would even admit this.
and it also says hat these risks stem form social inequities not their orientation.
 
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because they have less to fear about being honest not because there are more of them.

Abuse? I see pampered.

As for youth. All youth have bullies in school. They probably get picked on because healthy thinking kids probably find it weird or funny. Kids can be mean and it doesn't help if you a dude wearing a dress.

Best thing is to get them therapy and teach against bullying at the same time.

Ex trans who have gone through sex change surgery often share the same testimony. The surgery did not fix what was wrong in the mind and often increased the thought of suicide.
according to the National Bullying Prevention Center the rate LGBT youth experience bullying varies widely from region to region. in the most conservative areas LGBT students who are out or outed on average experience 3 -4 physical assaults per per week while in school. On average they receive 45 verbal attacks per week while in school. on average they receive 7 death threats during their high school career. HO\ow many times did you get a death threat in high school?
 

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Well you probably won't read it but in his book The moral landscape, hair is presents the argument that we can reach an objective standard for morality based on well being
I guess not everyone is going to care about human well-being. That part is subjective but if we can subjectively agree that human well-being is the goal then there should be things we can agree on that are objectively not conducive to that goal like throwing gay people off of rooftops or stoning people to death for blasphemy
Well Jordan Peterson sure put an end to Sam's faulty argument.....

``I don't know why you would expect to be sure about what someone believes, how do you think that any one of you are capable of fully articulating what you believe, you certainly know it's completely ridiculous
you're not transparent to yourself by any stretch of the imagination......... you act out all sorts of things that you can't
articulate but how about a best-guess, let's go all cognitive neuroscience on this shall we, ninety-nine percent of your processing
is unconscious, you're not capable of articulating, if you were you'd be omniscient don't give me any
nonsense about that okay.


And Harris seems quite confused what is science and what is philosophy.

Harris: Well, I actually think that the frontier between science and philosophy actually doesn’t exist… Philosophy is the womb of the sciences. The moment something becomes experimentally tractable, then the sciences bud off from philosophy. And every science has philosophy built into it. So there is no partition in my mind. (Oxford Talk)

So back to square one... his moral landscape does not come from science.
 
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your reference here is a "survey conducted through gay dating sites" :LOL::LOL::LOL:

just think about that for a minute...

I wonder what surveying a straight dating sight would tell us about monogamy in heterosexual relationships.. :ROFL:
https://www.them.us/story/30-percent-gay-men-open-relationships-new-study

According to a gay online magazine.

https://www.logotv.com/news/7b1omj/stop-monogamy-shaming-gay-community


https://medicine.yale.edu/news/yale-medicine-magazine/article/gay-mens-fears-of-longterm-romance/

Gay psychologist talks about why gays avoid monogamy.
 

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if you did study and understand this then you would know the answer to your earlier question
Why don't we have an "Evasive" and a "dodge and weave" emoji. You know when they keep telling you over and over that you are just too stupid to understand that it they have no response.

So far we have you misquoting your sources, saying 0.3% when the study said 3.1%, and also using misleading answers. 5x more black women have abortions than white women but instead you tell us where Planned Parenthood has their offices. And now you have been asked 3 times to explain to us how the theory of evolution (survival of the fittest) would explain a homosexual gene.
 

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your claim to be a teacher is disturbing when coupled with your lack of knowledge of basic genetics. It is common knowledge that while identical twins share identical genes they are not identical, most genetic traits don't replicate themselves in identical twins, its called a concordance factor
Eye color in identical twins as a concordance of 98%, not 100% Meaning for every 100 sets of identical twins two of those sets will have twins with different eye color.
Left handed has a concordance of 80%
Ankylosing spondylitis 63%
Type 1 diabetes is 32%
Rheumatoid arthritis 12%
Myasthenia gravis 40%
Multiple sclerosis 30%

The concordance rate of homosexuality in identical twins is between 55 and 65% This is a very high number
Is that your evidence that homosexuality is genetic? Please cite your reference.

Also this is now the fourth post of yours where you have stooped to personal insults, continue on this path and you will be banned.
 

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the article you linked says different, maybe you should read it.
This is what the article says

“This much is true: In the United States, the abortion rate for black women is almost five times that for white women.”

“Black women are not alone in having disproportionately high unintended pregnancy and abortion rates. The abortion rate among Hispanic women, for example, although not as high as the rate among black women, is double the rate among whites”


So what is your point, that the article is saying the "rate"? Since there are more white women than black women their rate can be 1/5th that of blacks and yet the total number may be more.

Please tell me that is not your point because I do not want to use the word idiot in my response.