Jesus is God

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Jesus Christ has a God. He ascended to his God (John 20:17).

Jesus said his Father is "the only true God" (John 17:3).

Paul said that to us there is but one God, the Father (1 Cor 8:6).

We are to confess Jesus as Lord and believe that God raised him from the dead (Rom 10:9).

The gift of grace (salvation) is by one man, Jesus Christ (Rom 5:15).

There is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus (1 Tim 2:5).

Jesus Christ is the man approved of [by] God (Acts 2:22).

By man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead (1 Cor 15:21).

Jesus Christ will reign until all things are subject to him, then he will be subject to God (1 Cor 15:27-28).

..just some interesting verses.

I agree with that. That’s a point I was making repeatedly in a different discussion. So the charges of blasphemy when Jesus said he is the Son of God wouldn’t even have registered on their radar as legitimate blasphemy.

16 Bible Verses about Intercession

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Most Relevant Verses
James 5:14-16
Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him. Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

Numbers 14:13-14
But Moses said to the Lord, “Then the Egyptians will hear of it, for by Your strength You brought up this people from their midst, and they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land. They have heard that You, O Lord, are in the midst of this people, for You, O Lord, are seen eye to eye, while Your cloud stands over them; and You go before them in a pillar of cloud by day and in a pillar of fire by night.

1 Samuel 7:5-9
Then Samuel said, “Gather all Israel to Mizpah and I will pray to the Lord for you.” They gathered to Mizpah, and drew water and poured it out before the Lord, and fasted on that day and said there, “We have sinned against the Lord.” And Samuel judged the sons of Israel at Mizpah. Now when the Philistines heard that the sons of Israel had gathered to Mizpah, the lords of the Philistines went up against Israel. And when the sons of Israel heard it, they were afraid of the Philistines.read more.
Numbers 6:23-27
“Speak to Aaron and to his sons, saying, ‘Thus you shall bless the sons of Israel. You shall say to them: The Lord bless you, and keep you;
The Lord make His face shine on you,
And be gracious to you;
read more.
Job 42:8-10
Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, and go to My servant Job, and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves, and My servant Job will pray for you. For I will accept him so that I may not do with you according to your folly, because you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has.” So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the Lord told them; and the Lord accepted Job. The Lord restored the fortunes of Job when he prayed for his friends, and the Lord increased all that Job had twofold.

Romans 10:1-4
Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation. For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.read more.
Genesis 18:23-33
Abraham came near and said, “Will You indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked? Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city; will You indeed sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous who are in it? Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?”read more.
Genesis 24:12-15
He said, “O Lord, the God of my master Abraham, please grant me success today, and show lovingkindness to my master Abraham. Behold, I am standing by the spring, and the daughters of the men of the city are coming out to draw water; now may it be that the girl to whom I say, ‘Please let down your jar so that I may drink,’ and who answers, ‘Drink, and I will water your camels also’—may she be the one whom You have appointed for Your servant Isaac; and by this I will know that You have shown lovingkindness to my master.”read more.
Exodus 17:9-12
So Moses said to Joshua, “Choose men for us and go out, fight against Amalek. Tomorrow I will station myself on the top of the hill with the staff of God in my hand.” Joshua did as Moses told him, and fought against Amalek; and Moses, Aaron, and Hur went up to the top of the hill. So it came about when Moses held his hand up, that Israel prevailed, and when he let his hand down, Amalek prevailed.read more.
Exodus 32:31-32
Then Moses returned to the Lord, and said, “Alas, this people has committed a great sin, and they have made a god of gold for themselves. But now, if You will, forgive their sin—and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!”

Numbers 27:15-23
Then Moses spoke to the Lord, saying, “May the Lord, the God of the spirits of all flesh, appoint a man over the congregation, who will go out and come in before them, and who will lead them out and bring them in, so that the congregation of the Lord will not be like sheep which have no shepherd.”read more.
2 Samuel 24:17
Verse Concepts
Then David spoke to the Lord when he saw the angel who was striking down the people, and said, “Behold, it is I who have sinned, and it is I who have done wrong; but these sheep, what have they done? Please let Your hand be against me and against my father’s house.”

1 Chronicles 29:19
Verse Concepts
and give to my son Solomon a perfect heart to keep Your commandments, Your testimonies and Your statutes, and to do them all, and to build the temple, for which I have made provision.”

Nehemiah 1:4-11
When I heard these words, I sat down and wept and mourned for days; and I was fasting and praying before the God of heaven. I said, “I beseech You, O Lord God of heaven, the great and awesome God, who preserves the covenant and lovingkindness for those who love Him and keep His commandments, let Your ear now be attentive and Your eyes open to hear the prayer of Your servant which I am praying before You now, day and night, on behalf of the sons of Israel Your servants, confessing the sins of the sons of Israel which we have sinned against You; I and my father’s house have sinned.read more.
Acts 7:60
Verse Concepts
Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” Having said this, he fell asleep.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Intercession

I think just the opposite. He was an offense to all that they held dear.

Can you accept worship? Rhetorical question of course, but it doesn’t make you God.

Jesus’ disciples didn’t reach God status when they were given permission to forgiven sins:

John 20:23
23If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Early on or later, when did Jesus plainly say he is God though? He was crucified on betrayal and false charges.

Not sure what you saying

Hi Larry, around Genesis 3, Adam sinned thus bringing a curse on everyone. The bad things you speak of are mostly from what is called the humans sin nature to do bad. I am not sure how to deal with natural diasters.

Some of the Pharisees Jesus was talking to claimed God as their Father in John 8:41. Jesus proved that the “little gods” scripture is a reference to being a son of God, not a claim to being God. Check John 10:34-36 and cross reference it with Psalm 82:6.

When Jesus says the Father is greater than Himself and at another place equates Himself with the Father, it seems logical to ask in what regard He sees Himself as each. John the Baptist was called the greatest of those born of a woman. In what regard was this true. It was because of the purpose his life was given...to announce the coming Messiah. It was his role that produced the acclaim. Jesus, in His role as suffering servant, was made lower than the angels. In this regard, the Father was greater.

The fact that they wanted to stone Him and later crucified Him are pretty compelling arguments to me.

Yeah, Jesus was doing something like 'self-limiting'

Although, there is the key thing that after Jesus said the Father is greater.. He ascended to be equal to the Father. I see that as just a greater position, not a greater status.

brother your missing it you already think the father and son are two individuals

about again this is what God said before he came

“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:

therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.

According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.

So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:15-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God became what man didn’t have a man to intercede and declare his name he interceded on our behalf , he suffered and died for our sins , he rose again and returned to his glory having overcome mans lack and inability to intercede for other men there was no man worthy , afterwards he returned to his eternal glory having become and provided everything man needs to have atonement and intercession

“Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭44:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


that’s who came and was made flesh and walked among us taught us the New Testament , shed his own blood rose up from the grace and ascended to the throne of David forever.

Understanding your intercessor is found here accepting this plain statement that has no controversy

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he God was born in the flesh and then afterwards he was taken up to glory

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s not a literal statement brother it’s showing the right hand of God holding all authority upon the throne Jesus isn’t a seperate being he is Gods right hand

a before he came

“The LORD is my strength and song, And is become my salvation. The voice of rejoicing and salvation is in the tabernacles of the righteous: The right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.

The right hand of the LORD is exalted: The right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.

I shall not die, but live, And declare the works of the LORD.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭118:14-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s like saying “ a man’s right arm is seperate from the man “ Jesus is how God reached into the world and worked out salvation and atoned for our sins

your simply seeing the god of heaven manifest in the flesh and his name is Jesus

if we needed salvstion and it depended on anyone but God it would never have become reality he is the lord there is no other he is one there is no other he’s done what many can’t fathom but the Bible makes plain

He looked at all mankind and saw that we were lost and bound to death and in his great mercy he came and dwelt among man for a short time , he taught man the truth called man to repentance atonened for mans sin , rose up with victory over death for mankind , then he returned to heaven having accomplished salvstion and offered it to everyone who will believe in him the true God made known

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬

I feel like this issue has been sort of settled many times over in this forum and have said what I myself believe and don’t really have a lot more to say that’s going to benefit because it’s really in my mind too clear and not even debatable it’s “ without controversy “ jesus is the one God manifest in the flesh the Holy Spirit is his own spirit , and he himself is the father of all creation , the creator and source of everything that exists

hes just too big for us to understand sometimes

Jesus wasn't crazy when he accepted worship. I would be crazy to accept it. I don't care if the question is rhetorical.

The disciples couldn't forgive sin of those who didn't directly sin against them. Peter couldn't say to John 'I forgive you' when another disciple offended them.

Jesus didn't have to say 'I am God' to show His deity.. it was in His actions and the way He referred to the Father.

I don't disagree with the distinction. I was trying to add perspective.

Yeah.. it's related to Jesus having the agent status.. on behalf of the Father.. but this does not make Him unequal. I am not saying Jesus IS the Father (although I don't believe He is seperate from the Father).

That Jewish concept of agency comes in again.. where the originator sends an agent.. an the agent is treated as equal to the originator. Jesus was referring to Himself this way. That's what the Pharisees and scribes were picking up on.

He possessed all the abilities of being fully God.

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That's a good point and worth emphasizing.

For example the wise men are said to worship baby Jesus, but in their minds
he wasn't a deity, rather, he was a monarch born king of the Jews.

Another good example is Abraham. When negotiating for Sarah's gravesite,
he is said to "bow" to the Hittites. The Hebrew word is used more than once
in the Old Testament for worship.
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This is where it get's interesting. I have had the same sort of thinking, because for christianity to be monotheism.. the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.. need to be one being. Not seperate.

The problem I get with having the one being God.. expressed in three manifestations/essences.. is when Jesus talks to the Father.. it's just an 'essence talking to an essence', when each in the Trinity have a distinct persona.

So I come back to agreeing with the traditional view of the Father not being Jesus and the Holy Spirit not being Jesus.

The problem then being- how they are still the one being.

I try and solve that by them all having the same essence in themselves. But then God just becomes an 'essence'

So it goes beyond my comprehension.

The key thing being Jesus has all the attributes and status of being fully God. So does the Father, and the Spirit.

True, but you know that to Orthodox Judaism there is no such thing as a trinity. The Pharisees didn’t believe that a claim to being a son of God was blasphemy because “son of God” doesn’t infer someone is claiming to be God.

Whenever people wanted to stone Jesus they misunderstood what he was saying or they were seizing an opportunity to twist Jesus’ words and lay false charges on him.

Really they just didn’t understand or agree with much Jesus said and he wasn’t going away. Jesus was always teaching and preaching and was so successful he was taking control of Israel. In the present, the words and influence of Jesus are still so powerful that Jesus is arguably the most influential leader in human history on a global scale.

so Jesus and his spirit pray ? yeah because they are one

is Jesus seperate from his own spirit though ?

Abraham didn't put himself on equal footing with God.

What does King of the Jews mean?

For some Jews it would mean king like David.. to overcome the Romans by royal power and war...not God.. but for others He is the Messiah. That is a different status. The prophecies of Jesus coming weren't for someone as just a man status.. an earthly king.

'Immanuel... God with us'--not just a man.

from gotquestions.org:

They (the disciples) claimed that Jesus had the right to forgive sins—something only God can do—as it is God who is offended by sin (Acts 5:31; Colossians 3:13; Psalm 130:4; Jeremiah 31:34). In close connection with this last claim, Jesus is also said to be the one who will “judge the living and the dead” (2 Timothy 4:1). Thomas cried out to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28). Paul calls Jesus “great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13) and points out that prior to His incarnation Jesus existed in the “form of God” (Philippians 2:5-8). God the Father says regarding Jesus: “Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever” (Hebrews 1:8).