How many People Think the Jews Could Be Wrong?

Christians are different we are born again from above and have no need to say we are of this or that tribe. We belong to Gods family irrespective of what tribe we were born into on earth

In the bodies (temples) of those receiving his mark.

the promises were spoken to Israel so John hears the promise given only to
Israel

“And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:2-

but it was fulfilled in what John saw people from all nations became the hiers israel and all the nations together through the lord Jesus and his gospel

“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:9

The word given to israel when the ot had then seperate was fulfilled in all the nations because of their rejection of their promises messiah

What John hears and then what he sees is showing us the promises bieng fulfilled different than what we thought

John hears prophecy and sees revelation of it

“And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. ( it’s being revealed come look ) And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭6:1-2‬ ‭

John hears the prophecy and sees the revelation he hears that isreel alone would be chosen , but he saw that all nations of people were chosen. Wrote the throne having thier garments washed in the blood of the messiah

“ And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; that thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves.

They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted. Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim. Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:2, 6-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and they sang a new song with better lyrics

“And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:9-

the promises made to israel
I’m the ot are fulfilled in all
Believers everywhere from all nations and languages all kin of man can be born of God and become his hiers the New Testament reveals this To us believers in Jesus are the children of Abraham no matter thier skintone or bloodline or flesh

How can the bodies of those who receive the mark be the temple of "God?" Won't those who take the mark be children of Satan?

the promises were spoken to Israel so John hears the promise given only to
Israel

“And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:2-

but it was fulfilled in what John saw people from all nations became the hiers israel and all the nations together through the lord Jesus and his gospel

“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:9

The word given to israel when the ot had then seperate was fulfilled in all the nations because of their rejection of their promises messiah

What John hears and then what he sees is showing us the promises bieng fulfilled different than what we thought

John hears prophecy and sees revelation of it

“And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. ( it’s being revealed come look ) And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭6:1-2‬ ‭

John hears the prophecy and sees the revelation he hears that isreel alone would be chosen , but he saw that all nations of people were chosen. Wrote the throne having thier garments washed in the blood of the messiah

“ And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; that thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves.

They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted. Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim. Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:2, 6-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and they sang a new song with better lyrics

“And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:9-

the promises made to israel
I’m the ot are fulfilled in all
Believers everywhere from all nations and languages all kin of man can be born of God and become his hiers the New Testament reveals this To us believers in Jesus are the children of Abraham no matter thier skintone or bloodline or flesh

So you agree then that the materialism of dispensationalism is fraud.

In the bodies (temples) of those receiving his mark.

the promises were spoken to Israel so John hears the promise given only to
Israel

“And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:2-

but it was fulfilled in what John saw people from all nations became the hiers israel and all the nations together through the lord Jesus and his gospel

“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:9

The word given to israel when the ot had then seperate was fulfilled in all the nations because of their rejection of their promises messiah

What John hears and then what he sees is showing us the promises bieng fulfilled different than what we thought

John hears prophecy and sees revelation of it

“And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. ( it’s being revealed come look ) And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭6:1-2‬ ‭

John hears the prophecy and sees the revelation he hears that isreel alone would be chosen , but he saw that all nations of people were chosen. Wrote the throne having thier garments washed in the blood of the messiah

“ And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; that thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves.

They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted. Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim. Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:2, 6-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and they sang a new song with better lyrics

“And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:9-

the promises made to israel
I’m the ot are fulfilled in all
Believers everywhere from all nations and languages all kin of man can be born of God and become his hiers the New Testament reveals this To us believers in Jesus are the children of Abraham no matter thier skintone or bloodline or flesh

God's Plan from the Beginning = God created all men to be His Temple.

Don't conflate the issue. There is a physical temple to be rebuilt to facilitate end-time prophecy.

BTW......I DO agree that those who take the MOTB have fatally defiled the spiritual temple in a very real sense.

But that is not related to Dan 9 and 2 Thes 2, nor is it the intent of those authors to be anything less than literal.

That makes no sense. If that's the case, then the man of sin would take his seat in the heart of every person, not just those who take the mark.

Dear Brother, You immediately opened with a false premise = "the promises were spoken to Israel so John hears the promise given only to
Israel"

Gospel Truth = John 1:9-13

The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God—

A.) children born not of blood
B.) nor of the desire or will of man,
C.) but born of God.



GOSPEL Truth = Romans 9:23-26
that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

As He says also in Hosea:
“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
“And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”

GOSPEL Truth = Romans 9:30

What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness,
even the righteousness of faith;

CONCLUSION of GOSPEL TRUTH = Galatians 3:26-29

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Turn away from religious heresy that is not submitted unto the GOSPEL of JESUS the Christ.

You are currently looking thru the eyes of a religious error = separating Jew from Gentile in Christ.

That makes no sense. If that's the case, then the man of sin would take his seat in the heart of every person, not just those who take the mark.

uh yes...everyone has a name or family name....you dont get assigned one or make it yourself, if you are male Hebrew youd be born into that family and circumcised on the 8th day if your family wanted to keep your heritage. Men could always pull their pants down and see.

many culttures can trace their heritage back many generations. They all know where they came from.

satan is a single entity = Arch Angel

whereas GOD is omnipresent in the HOLY SPIRIT

thus the reason and need for satan to have a technological advanced 'Mark' that connects people.

“Dear Brother, You immediately opened with a false premise = "the promises were spoken to Israel so John hears the promise given only to Israel"

Ok brother

It sounds like you don't have a clue and you're just making it up on the fly.

How can the bodies of those who receive the mark be the temple of "God?" Won't those who take the mark be children of Satan?

You are 100% Correct as pertaining to the flesh.

GOD has a Eternal Glorious Claim upon us who are Born of HIS Holy Spirit.

Since GOD has adopted us, to what Family has HE placed us in?

ANSWER = There is only ONE Body of Christ and only ONE Eternal Family of GOD = the ISRAEL of GOD.

See Post #157 and study the word "adoption" in the NT writings

then why does Revelation specify all the different tribes with just 12000 men in each. Note they are all unmarried.

The rest, of all the saints are obviously the billions of gentile believers. and I suppose women. Cos women dont really count in Israelite families...they cant be circumcised.