THE THIRD COMING OF CHRIST

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oyster67

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Lucy-Pevensie said:
the wedding feast about to take place on earth.
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The feast of the birds is what takes place on Earth. That meat we do not want to eat.

Revelation19
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
 
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Wouldn't 'third coming' better describe the position of both partial preterists and pretribulational dispensationalists...a problem with both positions?
 
tourist

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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
Sounds to me that you never studied the scriptures on your own. You have a long way, but every serious student of God's word begins with Him first.
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I have been studying scripture for 53 years. I guess if someone disagrees with your point of view than that must mean that they are not a serious student of scripture. Again, this perception is also hogwash.
 
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Komentaja said:
Actually, the Bible does say Jesus is at the right hand of God, which is a position of power, a position of power given to Him by the Father, so He is second in command. That is explicitly what the Bible teaches:

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
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The Father is the absolute authority. It is unclear to me whether Jesus is second or third command behind the Holy Spirit. Either way, Jesus only does the will of the Heavenly Father and not of his own accord. I concur fully with your estimation.
 
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Komentaja said:
Actually, the Bible does say Jesus is at the right hand of God, which is a position of power, a position of power given to Him by the Father, so He is second in command. That is explicitly what the Bible teaches:

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
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I don't believe that this member is a serious student of scripture.
 
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NotmebutHim said:
Threads such as this are the reason why I post popcorn GIFs.

They have entertainment value and that's about it.

I agree with you and @kaylagrl.
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I agree, threads like this are a high entertainment venue. Need some Jujube's too besides the popcorn.
 
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Komentaja said:
Actually, the Bible does say Jesus is at the right hand of God, which is a position of power, a position of power given to Him by the Father, so He is second in command. That is explicitly what the Bible teaches:

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
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What utter, utter nonsense! if Jesus is God, then you just split
tourist said:
I have been studying scripture for 53 years. I guess if someone disagrees with your point of view than that must mean that they are not a serious student of scripture. Again, this perception is also hogwash.
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The truth has no point of view. I don't go around peddling my point of view, I'm here to speak about the truth of God's word, nothing more and nothing less.
 
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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
What utter, utter nonsense! if Jesus is God, then you just split


The truth has no point of view. I don't go around peddling my point of view, I'm here to speak about the truth of God's word, nothing more and nothing less.
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You are speaking what you believe to be true. There is a difference between beliefs and what is actually the truth. I mean you no harm. Go in peace now.
 
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tourist said:
You are speaking what you believe to be true. There is a difference between beliefs and what is actually the truth. I mean you no harm. Go in peace now.
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tourist said:
You are speaking what you believe to be true. There is a difference between beliefs and what is actually the truth. I mean you no harm. Go in peace now.
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tourist said:
You are speaking what you believe to be true. There is a difference between beliefs and what is actually the truth. I mean you no harm. Go in peace now.
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I demonstrated the truth in my first post, unfortunately, most believers are stuck with what they were taught that they don't have the ability to discover what the word of God truly teaches. Hardly anyone speaks about what took place when the old covenant was officially closed with the destruction of the temple (Herod's). The world has more information on that than the church because she is too busy thinking about the future when the Lord returns in His "beautiful white horse." 😁
 
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oyster67 said:
The feast of the birds is what takes place on Earth. That meat we do not want to eat.

Revelation19
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
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Revelation is all about the destruction of Jerusalem when the Romans invaded Jerusalem back in the first century. You are a bit over 2,000 years too late. 😂
 
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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
I demonstrated the truth in my first post, unfortunately, most believers are stuck with what they were taught that they don't have the ability to discover what the word of God truly teaches. Hardly anyone speaks about what took place when the old covenant was officially closed with the destruction of the temple (Herod's). The world has more information on that than the church because she is too busy thinking about the future when the Lord returns in His "beautiful white horse." 😁
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"Hardly anyone speaks about what took place when the old covenant was officially closed with the destruction of the temple (Herod's)."

Seems to me the old covenant was officially closed when Jesus said "It is finished" and the veil was rent from top to bottom...
 
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Komentaja said:
Actually, the Bible does say Jesus is at the right hand of God, which is a position of power, a position of power given to Him by the Father, so He is second in command. That is explicitly what the Bible teaches:

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
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First of all, Jesus is the creator (Gen. 1:1, Col. 1:16, John 1:3), second, Jesus is the redeemer of all His creation (Gal. 3:13

Read the last part of 1Cor. 15:28 where it says that God may be all in all. Since Jesus is God, and God is a Trinity, I don't see a problem that God would be all in all when everything has been said and done
Komentaja said:
Actually, the Bible does say Jesus is at the right hand of God, which is a position of power, a position of power given to Him by the Father, so He is second in command. That is explicitly what the Bible teaches:

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
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49 said:
"Hardly anyone speaks about what took place when the old covenant was officially closed with the destruction of the temple (Herod's)."

Seems to me the old covenant was officially closed when Jesus said "It is finished" and the veil was rent from top to bottom...
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No, because the temple was still standing, animals were still being sacrificed, and the priests continued to teach about the law. Something had to give. But when the temple was finally destroyed by the Romans, the old covenant ended officially, for until then the old was overlapping with the new. The grace period of one generation was given by the Lord in Mat. 23:36, 24:34. One generation after that, all hell broke loose which caused the temple to come down closing the old covenant forever and destroying the dreams of the nation of having a Messiah fitted just for them (or expecting God to do what they wanted).
 
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Actually, the Bible does say Jesus is at the right hand of God, which is a position of power, a position of power given to Him by the Father, so He is second in command. That is explicitly what the Bible teaches:

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

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Verse 28. Son Himself is subject to the Father BUT not as the creatures are, but as a Son voluntarily subordinate to, though co-equal with, the Father. In the mediatorial kingdom, the Son had been, in a manner, distinct from the Father. Now, His kingdom shall merge in the Father's, with whom He is one; not that there is thus any derogation from His honor; for the Father Himself wills "that all should honor the Son, as they honor the Father" (John 5:22, 23 Heb 1:6).
 
SomeDisciple

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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
No, because the temple was still standing, animals were still being sacrificed, and the priests continued to teach about the law. Something had to give. But when the temple was finally destroyed by the Romans, the old covenant ended officially, for until then the old was overlapping with the new. The grace period of one generation was given by the Lord in Mat. 23:36, 24:34. One generation after that, all hell broke loose which caused the temple to come down closing the old covenant forever and destroying the dreams of the nation of having a Messiah fitted just for them (or expecting God to do what they wanted).
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Again, the old covenant didn't depend on a temple standing. Jesus fulfilled the OC, and made a new one. Where in the bible does it say the old covenant would end with the destruction of the temple?
 
soberxp

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I passed by to buy soy sauce. I just smiled and didn't talk.:)
 
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I think that all people can see the coming of Jesus at the same time in heaven or hell or on earth.

How do you make people all over the world see you at the same time?
 
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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
Listen, professor, one thing is not understanding where I'm coming from, quite another is accusing me of having no clue. Your limited knowledge of God's word reveals that it is you who has no clue. I understand God's word far more than you could imagine. The problem is not me, but you sir.

Let me inform you again, so you don't continue to be confused. The first coming of God the Son was the incarnation, God becoming Man and living among us as if He were an ordinary human being which He did for 30 long years. The second coming is when He returned to judge harlot Jerusalem for all her sins against Him from their inception as a nation. You do understand that Yeshua went back to the beginning to accuse the leaders of Israel of why He was judging them, don't you? (Mat. 23:34-38). Paul wrote a few times in reference to the Lord's coming which most Christians have assumed that will happen in the future, just like they assume Revelation is about OUR future, not the future of the believers of the first century. Paul himself tells us in 1Thes. 2:14-16 that the judgment was around the corner, so do you understand that for the judgment to take place the Judge must be present to declare His final word, correct?

Yeshua came for the second time in AD 70 whether you choose to believe it or not, and He will come a third time in His final return to judge the living and the dead.

Perhaps, it is you who has no clue of what the scriptures really teach.
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My question is, where do you find this third coming in the Bible then? Thats my primary question, my secondary question is why didn't any of the prophecies about the pagan nations attacking Israel being destroyed get fulfilled when Rome attack Jerusalem? Why wasnt there two witnesses there.
 
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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
The so called rapture


Context, context, context my friend. Jesus did come back for the SECOND TIME to judge Israel and to officially end the old covenant (the law of Moses) so that the new and everlasting covenant will reach the world without the yoke of the law. So, who said that the Lord had to come visibly? Have we forgotten that Jesus is God, NOT some sort of "second in command"?

When God came to judge Israel in the OT did anyone see Him, or did they discern that the events that were taking place were a fulfillment of prophecies?

We have grown to be accustomed to the generic beliefs that we don't dare to question anything for fear of being called a heretic. Let's take our beliefs out of the box and start thinking for ourselves, at least once. Agree?
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We never question the bible for then we would indeed be at least heterodox if not in fact heretic ... let us take our beliefs out of the bible and our minds will become the mind of Christ.
 
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