THE THIRD COMING OF CHRIST

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Nehemiah6

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...Jesus did come back for the SECOND TIME to judge Israel and to officially end the old covenant (the law of Moses) so that the new and everlasting covenant will reach the world without the yoke of the law. So, who said that the Lord had to come visibly?...
Everything stated here shows that you have no clue about either the first coming or the second coming. When someone calls the first coming of Christ the second coming, it means that there is a serious lack of understanding of fundamental Bible truth.
 

Blade

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Putting in "in context" we always want to make sure yet who is telling us about this "context"? Heb 9:28.. what was talked about before and after this verse? 2nd coming without sin unto salvation. But His one sacrifice He has removed believers sin forever. When He returns He will not come as a sacrifice, nor will He come to condemn and remind believers of theirs sins. He will come to bring what He promised. The inheritance secured and guaranteed by His atoning death.

One can keep saying "third" yet as you have clearly shown there is no NT verse for this it has never been taught. I know some by scrolls after 90ad 300-400ad and on that talked about Christ coming back 2nd time. Never a third time. Yet even what I just said unless its written its just what some believed. Like 300-400ad that Hymn writer/preacher wrote about Christ coming to take the Church before the great tribulation. That in its self is nothing more then what that man believed and those that he wrote to.

Rev 1:7..when was Rev written? He is coming not He did come. Yes when Rev was written tells all here :)

So where do you come up with third time?

As for a few said.. this means allot to the poster so.. wise not to make fun of him. That's how it came across to me. Sorry OP you were treated this way.
 
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Everything stated here shows that you have no clue about either the first coming or the second coming. When someone calls the first coming of Christ the second coming, it means that there is a serious lack of understanding of fundamental Bible truth.
Listen, professor, one thing is not understanding where I'm coming from, quite another is accusing me of having no clue. Your limited knowledge of God's word reveals that it is you who has no clue. I understand God's word far more than you could imagine. The problem is not me, but you sir.

Let me inform you again, so you don't continue to be confused. The first coming of God the Son was the incarnation, God becoming Man and living among us as if He were an ordinary human being which He did for 30 long years. The second coming is when He returned to judge harlot Jerusalem for all her sins against Him from their inception as a nation. You do understand that Yeshua went back to the beginning to accuse the leaders of Israel of why He was judging them, don't you? (Mat. 23:34-38). Paul wrote a few times in reference to the Lord's coming which most Christians have assumed that will happen in the future, just like they assume Revelation is about OUR future, not the future of the believers of the first century. Paul himself tells us in 1Thes. 2:14-16 that the judgment was around the corner, so do you understand that for the judgment to take place the Judge must be present to declare His final word, correct?

Yeshua came for the second time in AD 70 whether you choose to believe it or not, and He will come a third time in His final return to judge the living and the dead.

Perhaps, it is you who has no clue of what the scriptures really teach.
 

oyster67

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I know thats how you try to wiggle out of it, so what do you do, when the rapture verse is considered a COMING in the bible?
The Second Coming refers to the end of this age when the Rapture and Marriage and Tribulation and Return to Earth happens. This Event covers a timespan of 7 years.
 

SomeDisciple

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You overestimate the significance of the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem. It was a judgement on Israel, yes- but the old covenant was already over. The existence of the temple did not keep it going.

But besides that- if you're going to say revelation is about the first century, then please do tell us what you think the Abomination of Desolation was at the time, and who the Anti-christ and false prophets were. Because if I had a convincing preterist argument, it would probably include that, and I would lead with that instead of some "third coming!!" Terminology shenanigans. .
 

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#86
Listen, professor, one thing is not understanding where I'm coming from, quite another is accusing me of having no clue. Your limited knowledge of God's word reveals that it is you who has no clue. I understand God's word far more than you could imagine. The problem is not me, but you sir.

Let me inform you again, so you don't continue to be confused. The first coming of God the Son was the incarnation, God becoming Man and living among us as if He were an ordinary human being which He did for 30 long years. The second coming is when He returned to judge harlot Jerusalem for all her sins against Him from their inception as a nation. You do understand that Yeshua went back to the beginning to accuse the leaders of Israel of why He was judging them, don't you? (Mat. 23:34-38). Paul wrote a few times in reference to the Lord's coming which most Christians have assumed that will happen in the future, just like they assume Revelation is about OUR future, not the future of the believers of the first century. Paul himself tells us in 1Thes. 2:14-16 that the judgment was around the corner, so do you understand that for the judgment to take place the Judge must be present to declare His final word, correct?

Yeshua came for the second time in AD 70 whether you choose to believe it or not, and He will come a third time in His final return to judge the living and the dead.

Perhaps, it is you who has no clue of what the scriptures really teach.
Sounds like a bunch of hogwash.
 

oyster67

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The Church has a role to play during the GT.
Yes, she is participating in the wedding in heaven.

Revelation 19
4And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
5And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
6And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

This takes place in Heaven before we return with Him to Earth for the Millennial Reign.
 

oyster67

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So, what will happen in the so-called "rapture"?
1 Thessalonians 4
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
 
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1 Thessalonians 4
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
That's an assumption. Paul was speaking to the Thessalonians not us. Have you ever tried to understand it from their point of view?
 

Evmur

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So, what will happen in the so-called "rapture"?
Paul tells you

"The dead in Christ will be first to rise then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air"

There is no talk here about everyone being resurrected but the church only.

The general resurrection is another event.
 

Evmur

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A text without its context is just a pretext!
Paul is writing to the Thessalonians who thought the Day of the Lord had come. They were experiencing much persecution.
Paul tells them that that Day will not come until there is a great falling away and the Man of Sin (Antichrist) is revealed.
This will happen prior to Christ's second Coming.
Paul tells them that they are saved from the Wrath to come. 1 Thes 1:10. The Great Tribulation.
The Church is raptured before that event. 1 Thess 4:13-18.
Wrath comes from God
tribulation comes from men
 

Evmur

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The so called rapture


Context, context, context my friend. Jesus did come back for the SECOND TIME to judge Israel and to officially end the old covenant (the law of Moses) so that the new and everlasting covenant will reach the world without the yoke of the law. So, who said that the Lord had to come visibly? Have we forgotten that Jesus is God, NOT some sort of "second in command"?

When God came to judge Israel in the OT did anyone see Him, or did they discern that the events that were taking place were a fulfillment of prophecies?

We have grown to be accustomed to the generic beliefs that we don't dare to question anything for fear of being called a heretic. Let's take our beliefs out of the box and start thinking for ourselves, at least once. Agree?
Every eye shall see Him. It will be Jesus said "as lightening shines from the east to the west so shall the coming of the Son of man be."

John said "behold He cometh in the clouds and every eye shall see Him. the tribes of the earth will wail because of Him even so amen"
 

Magenta

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Every eye shall see Him. It will be Jesus said "as lightening shines from the east to the west so shall the coming of the Son of man be."

John said "behold He cometh in the clouds and every eye shall see Him. the tribes of the earth will wail because of Him even so amen"

Revelation 1:7
:)
 

Komentaja

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You overestimate the significance of the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem. It was a judgement on Israel, yes- but the old covenant was already over. The existence of the temple did not keep it going.

But besides that- if you're going to say revelation is about the first century, then please do tell us what you think the Abomination of Desolation was at the time, and who the Anti-christ and false prophets were. Because if I had a convincing preterist argument, it would probably include that, and I would lead with that instead of some "third coming!!" Terminology shenanigans. .
More over, when in AD70 did you have two witnesses appear?

Also in the biblical account of the end times, what happens is that the gentile nations rise up against Israel, yes, 2/3 of Israel is slaughtered, yes. But one thing that also happens is that the pagan nations who are against Israel will eventually LOSE and get slapped back to last week. That DID NOT happen to the romans! The romans were a-okay.
 

Komentaja

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Have we forgotten that Jesus is God, NOT some sort of "second in command"?
Actually, the Bible does say Jesus is at the right hand of God, which is a position of power, a position of power given to Him by the Father, so He is second in command. That is explicitly what the Bible teaches:

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Yes, she is participating in the wedding in heaven.

Revelation 19
4And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
5And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
6And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

This takes place in Heaven before we return with Him to Earth for the Millennial Reign.

A celebration of the defeat of the prostitute, Stated in Vs 2&3 (continued from Ch 18)
And an invitation to the wedding feast about to take place on earth. (continued in the rest of Ch 19)


The invitation is stated specifically in Vs 9 & Vs 17.
 
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Paul tells you

"The dead in Christ will be first to rise then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air"

There is no talk here about everyone being resurrected but the church only.

The general resurrection is another event.