Abusing Religious Authority or The Narcissist and God

This could also be a big flop but we'll see.

I guess this could be a topic for the Family Forum, but as scripture seems to actually deal with the topic, this might be the right place.

“1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jan’nes and Jam’bres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.” II Timothy 3: 1-9

Well that's a mouthful and I think it is overlooked in discussions here in the forum quite often. Ever had a discussion with a very distainful person who scoffs at you and you dismisses what you say as though you were not worth the time? This same person will expect you to follow their every word and will give you what for if you do not keep up with them.

In person, we might refer to that individual as a narcissist but that behavior is also repeated here.

So I am thinking about what happens when you have a person who is a believer, yet they act just like that narcissist that nobody wants to be around?

Have you known people who always seem to 'hide behind God' with statements like...'well, I didn't say that. God said that so you are going 'against' God. Pretty hard to answer that one. Or is it? It seems evidence suggests that people’s opinion of what God thinks is right and wrong tracks what they believe is right and wrong, not the other way around.

I think it would be interesting to have a discussion on how to deal with things like that and what scripture says about it. Well I think that, but then I have a background in dealing with narcissists for some reason, so I find it interesting. This could also be a big flop but we'll see.

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Just kidding.

Quoting scripture is good. We will be accused of being heady and high-minded, but it is God we seek to please.

I used to debate scriptures but I learned that's an argument that will never be won; now I rarely do. Scriptures can be made to say anything a person wants them to. If someone makes a habit of posting page after page of scriptures with no comment, they pretty quickly go on ignore.

You should have quoted verse 13 as well in 2TIMOTHY 3.
There's an expanded translation describing the goading and the constant beating them forward along a path they don't want to go that I happen to like.

Narcissists are like little devils behind the scenes manipulating everyone they come in contact with. But they are never happy...never know love...they grow to hate everyone including themselves.

These people have a miserable existence. "Deceiving and being deceived "

And yet this life is as good as it gets for these people.

Fears and wants are unique. When young, people often have some level of control over them....however they tend to flip the script at some point and control the person with them...all while this person doesn't know what true love is like at all.
How meaningful is it if your computer tells you it loves you versus a person with a truly free will and no manipulation whatsoever tells it to you.

That's the life of Narcissists. They manipulate everyone they can. They hide behind a mask....at some point they believe that mask is the truth...and that begins their unraveling.

But I was particularly interested in discussing (if anyone want's to) the repercussions when dealing with a believer who also is a narcissist. (I dunno. are these 2 things together not possible?)

So how do we deal with them as Christians?

I cannot deal with them if the truth be known...
I do not even want to make a thread about anything because I have seen with my own eyes , even the simplest thread can get torn to pieces...

I think you have made some valid points...
Am off out now as my family have organized a celebration for my birthday , I am 61 today ...
I will re-read your wh0le post when I get back home , I think a lot of people on here should , but some might feel exposed , and that is a good thing...
...xox...

Ever had a discussion with a very distainful person who scoffs at you and you dismisses what you say as though you were not worth the time? This same person will expect you to follow their every word and will give you what for if you do not keep up with them.

I was recently given a week’s vacation from here because of my attitude. I despise when people shut out the Kingdom of Heaven against others, using Scripture as a weapon to crush souls and spirits rather than crushing doubt and insecurity regarding God’s infinite love and the fullness of His saving grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

It's the winning that seems to be the goal far too often. But yeah. Scripture can often be handled fast and loose. Anybody can copy/paste

We all, to whatever degree, believe that our view of what Scripture teaches is the correct view.

Some may be right, others potentially deluded, but I don't think tagging people with names like narcissist etc is Christian. We aren't licensed psychologists with an indepth study of the person/ people in question.

That said, often online I just get the feeling of the community being a haunt for every evil thing, and not necessarily Christian because of some of this negative behavior.

I honestly don't know how to appropriately address some people as a result... I guess learning how to have actual discussion with these certain personality types would be great, but I haven't learned how yet.

By the way, I am running a high fever and am a bit on the delirious side so forgive my rambling. I have come down fairly hard with COVID for the first time.

We all, to whatever degree, believe that our view of what Scripture teaches is the correct view.

Some may be right, others potentially deluded, but I don't think tagging people with names like narcissist etc is Christian. We aren't licensed psychologists with an indepth study of the person/ people in question.

That said, often online I just get the feeling of the community being a haunt for every evil thing, and not necessarily Christian because of some of this negative behavior.

I honestly don't know how to appropriately address some people as a result... I guess learning how to have actual discussion with these certain personality types would be great, but I haven't learned how yet.

By the way, I am running a high fever and am a bit on the delirious side so forgive my rambling. I have come down fairly hard with COVID for the first time.

is it possible that a narcissist can be a real Believer of God?
you must deny yourself, you must put the needs of others before your own, you must acknowledge there is a God.
the only time i have seen narcissist in a Church building was for the purpose of seeking out an enabler who they could attach to.

i know a woman married 35 years, the last 15 she felt she was with a different person. she had no idea about narcissist but was beat down mentally to a point she went to a psychotherapist. immediately, she was told her husband is using her as a beard, a cover, etc. from day 1, he listened to her words and became her. voted like her, liked the same foods, music, etc. was not an individual.

by time the divorce was over, her attorney, a top dog attorney, discovered he was a hidden homosexual but was using his marriage as a front for his job and other identities. he was so evil he threatened to kill her in court because it was discovered he had been hiding tons of money which now she was entitled to.

but anyway, is it possible for someone like what i just described to be a real Follower of God?

i don't believe it!

I cannot deal with them if the truth be known...
I do not even want to make a thread about anything because I have seen with my own eyes , even the simplest thread can get torn to pieces...

I think you have made some valid points...
Am off out now as my family have organized a celebration for my birthday , I am 61 today ...
I will re-read your wh0le post when I get back home , I think a lot of people on here should , but some might feel exposed , and that is a good thing...
...xox...

We all, to whatever degree, believe that our view of what Scripture teaches is the correct view.

Some may be right, others potentially deluded, but I don't think tagging people with names like narcissist etc is Christian. We aren't licensed psychologists with an indepth study of the person/ people in question.

That said, often online I just get the feeling of the community being a haunt for every evil thing, and not necessarily Christian because of some of this negative behavior.

I honestly don't know how to appropriately address some people as a result... I guess learning how to have actual discussion with these certain personality types would be great, but I haven't learned how yet.

By the way, I am running a high fever and am a bit on the delirious side so forgive my rambling. I have come down fairly hard with COVID for the first time.