Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

AND AGAIN I AGREE, it is

A
resurrection

BUT IT IS NOT THE ONLY RESURRECTION. JUST 'A' RESURRECTION, of multiple resurrections, multiple resurrections you CAN'T SEE because of ?????.

You can continue to try to make me sound dumb but it won't do any good because what is written is truth, what WE believe is written, doesn't always hold true and you trying to show me to be dumb is only proving your ignorance.

Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? SAME EXACT THING.

Some people will just have to see it before they believe it.

The bible is clear
There is only 2 resurrections of the dead.
One when Jesus comes and one after the 1000 years.

No secret one

Please show in the bible any other resurrections.

FreeGrace2 said:
Question is not clear. By the time of the Tribulation, the VAST MAJORITY of the "body of Christ" will ALREADY be in heaven.

Why do you say no? On what basis?

Do you agree that there is just one resurrection of the saved, per Acts 24:15 and 1 Cor 15:23?
Do you agree that there will be a post tribulation resurrection, per Rev20:5?

If you disagree with either question, please prove that the verses listed do not teach what my question expresses.

Thanks.

You didn't answer my questions. So please don't ignore them and add your own.

Your questions appear to conflate verses. Not the way to study the Bible.

FreeGrace2 said:
The Bible states that there will be ONE resurrection for the saved and ONE resurrection for the unsaved.
Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

1 Cor 15:23. In that ONE resurrection, "those who belong to Him" will be resurrected. "when He comes", which is the 2nd Advent.

Yes. I see no evidence for multiple resurrections.

Jesus always spoke in the singular regarding the coming resurrection.
Acts 24:15 says plainly that there will be A resurrection for the saved (just) and the unsaved (unjust).

1 Cor 15:23 says that this single resurrection will occur "when He comes" and EVERY reference to the COMING of Jesus is a reference to the Second Advent, because the OT prophesied of only TWO advents and the first was Jesus' birth. His second advent will be when He comes back to earth, ends the Tribulation and battle of Armegeddon and sets up His Millennial reign.

Further, 1 Cor 15:23 says "those who belong to Him" will be in the single resurrection. How can that be less than ALL believers?

No it's NOT. In 1 Cor 15:23 the word "first fruits" refers only to the FACT that Jesus is the FIRST to receive a glorified body.

Acts 26:23 - that the Christ would suffer and, as the FIRST TO RISE FROM THE DEAD, would proclaim light to His own people and to the Gentiles.

There are NO examples of the singular resurrection and "main gathering" and "gleanings", or the Bible would have made that clear.

Jesus is "firstfruits" in the sense of being the FIRST to receive a glorified body. Period.

Studying makes it clear.

Paul, in 1 Corinthians 15, compares the resurrection to a harvest.

Throughout the bible, a harvest consists of three parts: the firstfruits, main gathering, and the gleanings.

Christ is the firstfruits. He was resurrected, was he not?

To say there is only one resurrection nullifies Christ's resurrection.

FreeGrace2 said:
The Bible states that there will be ONE resurrection for the saved and ONE resurrection for the unsaved.
Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

1 Cor 15:23. In that ONE resurrection, "those who belong to Him" will be resurrected. "when He comes", which is the 2nd Advent.

Yes. I see no evidence for multiple resurrections.

Jesus always spoke in the singular regarding the coming resurrection.
Acts 24:15 says plainly that there will be A resurrection for the saved (just) and the unsaved (unjust).

1 Cor 15:23 says that this single resurrection will occur "when He comes" and EVERY reference to the COMING of Jesus is a reference to the Second Advent, because the OT prophesied of only TWO advents and the first was Jesus' birth. His second advent will be when He comes back to earth, ends the Tribulation and battle of Armegeddon and sets up His Millennial reign.

Further, 1 Cor 15:23 says "those who belong to Him" will be in the single resurrection. How can that be less than ALL believers?

Which is what I've done.


No he didn't. Read Actss 26:23 where Paul was referring to by "firstfruits". Jesus was the FIRST to receive a glorified body. That is all.

If the Bible DID compare resurrection to these "3 parts of a harvest" how come there are NO VERSES that clarify this?


Unless there are ANY verses that make clear that the resurrection has "3 parts" you don't have a case.


The FIRST to be resurrected with a glorified body.


Then let me be more clear. For mortal saved humans, there is JUST ONE resurrection, which will occur "when He comes" and will include "those who belong to Him".

If you want to argue that the phrase "those who belong to Him" doesn't include every saved person, then prove it from clear Scripture.

The armies in heavens are comprised of Angels and the Spirits of the Saints who have died and are waiting for their Resurrection into Glorified Eternal Bodies made in His Likeness.

Only the LORD Jesus has a Resurrected Glorified Body in Revelation chapters 1 thru 19.

Revelation chapter 20 is the First Resurrection spoken of in 1 Thessalonians chapter 4 and 1 Corinthians chapter 15 and 1 John chapter 2 thru chapter 3.

FreeGrace2 said:
and God sends them to the proper waiting area.

The 3rd heaven IS a waiting place for the new earth, which is the eternal state. All believers who die before the Tribulation go to the 3rd heaven. All unbelievers go to "torments" in Hades, awaiting the GWT judgement and being cast into the lake of fire.

What did you think about souls who die and where they go?

EXCEPT FOR

Ecclesiastes 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1 Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1 Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest NOT that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.


WHAT? One place says 'a spirit' but doesn't say 'a body' and another says 'a body' but doesn't say 'a spirit'.


What can that mean? Does it mean there are bodies without spirits being raised up and spirits without bodies being raised up' ????

OR

maybe we should just apply some basic common sense knowing we are body soul and spirit.

Earth for body earth, Heaven body for heaven.

It really doesn't even take a leap of faith and if we are BOLD enough to put the two together, we will find ourselves BUILDING upon a foundation laid for us and learning a DEEPER truth that we can now CONFIDENTLY take with us every where else we go in the words of God and be assured we are rightly dividing them to find HIS TRUTH and not making up our own.



1 Corinthians 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

1 Corinthians 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

1 Corinthians 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

The words 'raised up' refers to dead physical bodies being resurrected UP out of the ground to be joined to the soil, who will be with Jesus as He ends the Trip and Armageddon and sets up His Millennial reign on earth.

I see just fine. What doesn't exist are any verses describing Jesus taking resurrected believers to heaven.

Nope. These saints are the souls. They are awaiting their resurrected body.

Not in 1 Cor 15:23. Give me context for your phrase and I will respond.

I have no idea what you are talking about. There is ONE resurrection, which will be "when He comes" at the 2nd Advent.

Some people will just have to see it before they believe it.

The bible is clear
There is only 2 resurrections of the dead.
One when Jesus comes and one after the 1000 years.

No secret one

Please show in the bible any other resurrections.

Jesus leaves heaven, meets raptured saints in the clouds then takes them back to heaven

BUT THAT in no way shows A GROUP PRE TRIB BEING TAKEN TO HEAVEN. ALL it does show is those who have been saved and who's flesh bodies have died have gone to be with the Lord

SEE the subject is THOSE OF FAITH WHO'S FLESH DIE, CONTINUE ON LIVING JUST LIKE CHRIST BECAUSE AS HE DIED AND WAS RAISED, SO ARE THEY.



1Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren,

concerning them which are asleep, NOT CONCERING THE CHURCH AS A GROUP/UNIT/BODY and NOT AT a set specific time being pre 'great' tribulation

that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.


HERE HE GETS very specific as to what happens TO THE INDIVIDUAL SAVED SOUL

1Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

THAT IS HOW ALL THE SAINTS AND THE SAVED GET TO HEAVEN AND HOW THEY ALL RETURN WITH HIM.





BUT BY THIS POINT IN TIME, the great tribulation has ended with Christ and His armies returned to the earth, the vials poured out, and the Lords Day COMMENCING, THE kingdoms of the earth are become HIS

Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Revelation 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

Revelation 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

Revelation 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.


AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU HAVE SAID IT AGAIN, BUT AGAIN, NOT SHOWN GOD TO SAY IT.

Are you trying to say that those who are BLESSED WHICH ARE CALLED unto the marriage ARE not really called to the supper at all but have in fact been rendered 'the wife'?

There are NO verses describing Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

When Christ ascended he led captivity captive. Who is Paul referring to?

Did these bodies resurrect? Is this a fable?

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.