Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.
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FreeGrace2 said:
Jesus always spoke in the singular regarding the coming resurrection.
Acts 24:15 says plainly that there will be A resurrection for the saved (just) and the unsaved (unjust).
You have got to be kidding! "every tree" doesn't mean just one. It means every one of THEM (multiple trees). Except one.
So, you have proven that your reading or comprehension skills are rusty.
Jesus always spoke in the singular regarding the coming resurrection.
Acts 24:15 says plainly that there will be A resurrection for the saved (just) and the unsaved (unjust).
You have got to be kidding! "every tree" doesn't mean just one. It means every one of THEM (multiple trees). Except one.
So, you have proven that your reading or comprehension skills are rusty.
Studying makes it clear. Paul, in 1 Corinthians 15, compares the resurrection to a harvest. Throughout the bible, a harvest consists of three parts: the firstfruits, main gathering, and the gleanings. Christ is the firstfruits. He was resurrected, was he not? To say there is only one resurrection nullifies Christ's resurrection.
FreeGrace2 said:
The Bible states that there will be ONE resurrection for the saved and ONE resurrection for the unsaved.
Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.
1 Cor 15:23. In that ONE resurrection, "those who belong to Him" will be resurrected. "when He comes", which is the 2nd Advent.
Yes. I see no evidence for multiple resurrections.
Jesus always spoke in the singular regarding the coming resurrection.
Acts 24:15 says plainly that there will be A resurrection for the saved (just) and the unsaved (unjust).
1 Cor 15:23 says that this single resurrection will occur "when He comes" and EVERY reference to the COMING of Jesus is a reference to the Second Advent, because the OT prophesied of only TWO advents and the first was Jesus' birth. His second advent will be when He comes back to earth, ends the Tribulation and battle of Armegeddon and sets up His Millennial reign.
Further, 1 Cor 15:23 says "those who belong to Him" will be in the single resurrection. How can that be less than ALL believers?
Which is what I've done.
No he didn't. Read Actss 26:23 where Paul was referring to by "firstfruits". Jesus was the FIRST to receive a glorified body. That is all.
If the Bible DID compare resurrection to these "3 parts of a harvest" how come there are NO VERSES that clarify this?
Unless there are ANY verses that make clear that the resurrection has "3 parts" you don't have a case.
The FIRST to be resurrected with a glorified body.
Then let me be more clear. For mortal saved humans, there is JUST ONE resurrection, which will occur "when He comes" and will include "those who belong to Him".
If you want to argue that the phrase "those who belong to Him" doesn't include every saved person, then prove it from clear Scripture.
The Bible states that there will be ONE resurrection for the saved and ONE resurrection for the unsaved.
Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.
1 Cor 15:23. In that ONE resurrection, "those who belong to Him" will be resurrected. "when He comes", which is the 2nd Advent.
Yes. I see no evidence for multiple resurrections.
Jesus always spoke in the singular regarding the coming resurrection.
Acts 24:15 says plainly that there will be A resurrection for the saved (just) and the unsaved (unjust).
1 Cor 15:23 says that this single resurrection will occur "when He comes" and EVERY reference to the COMING of Jesus is a reference to the Second Advent, because the OT prophesied of only TWO advents and the first was Jesus' birth. His second advent will be when He comes back to earth, ends the Tribulation and battle of Armegeddon and sets up His Millennial reign.
Further, 1 Cor 15:23 says "those who belong to Him" will be in the single resurrection. How can that be less than ALL believers?
Which is what I've done.
No he didn't. Read Actss 26:23 where Paul was referring to by "firstfruits". Jesus was the FIRST to receive a glorified body. That is all.
If the Bible DID compare resurrection to these "3 parts of a harvest" how come there are NO VERSES that clarify this?
Unless there are ANY verses that make clear that the resurrection has "3 parts" you don't have a case.
The FIRST to be resurrected with a glorified body.
Then let me be more clear. For mortal saved humans, there is JUST ONE resurrection, which will occur "when He comes" and will include "those who belong to Him".
If you want to argue that the phrase "those who belong to Him" doesn't include every saved person, then prove it from clear Scripture.
When Christ ascended he led captivity captive. Who is Paul referring to?
Did these bodies resurrect? Is this a fable?
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Did these bodies resurrect? Is this a fable?
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
EXCEPT FOR
Ecclesiastes 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1 Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1 Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest NOT that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
WHAT? One place says 'a spirit' but doesn't say 'a body' and another says 'a body' but doesn't say 'a spirit'.
What can that mean? Does it mean there are bodies without spirits being raised up and spirits without bodies being raised up' ????
OR
maybe we should just apply some basic common sense knowing we are body soul and spirit.
Earth for body earth, Heaven body for heaven.
It really doesn't even take a leap of faith and if we are BOLD enough to put the two together, we will find ourselves BUILDING upon a foundation laid for us and learning a DEEPER truth that we can now CONFIDENTLY take with us every where else we go in the words of God and be assured we are rightly dividing them to find HIS TRUTH and not making up our own.
1 Corinthians 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1 Corinthians 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1 Corinthians 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Ecclesiastes 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1 Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1 Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest NOT that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
WHAT? One place says 'a spirit' but doesn't say 'a body' and another says 'a body' but doesn't say 'a spirit'.
What can that mean? Does it mean there are bodies without spirits being raised up and spirits without bodies being raised up' ????
OR
maybe we should just apply some basic common sense knowing we are body soul and spirit.
Earth for body earth, Heaven body for heaven.
It really doesn't even take a leap of faith and if we are BOLD enough to put the two together, we will find ourselves BUILDING upon a foundation laid for us and learning a DEEPER truth that we can now CONFIDENTLY take with us every where else we go in the words of God and be assured we are rightly dividing them to find HIS TRUTH and not making up our own.
1 Corinthians 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1 Corinthians 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1 Corinthians 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
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I didn't ask for YOUR THOUGHTS, I asked for SCRIPTURE(S), that made you think that way. Not looking for the doctrines of man but the words of God.
Where is this 'waiting area' you are TEACHING to be found? I know of paradise heaven and hell.
You seem to know of some 'waiting area' I have read nothing about. I would like to read it. Could you give me Chapter and Verse so I could.
In answer to your question: I think souls who die are evil and souls who die go into the LOF
THOU SOWEST NOT THAT BODY THAT SHALL BE
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy:
and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
And as we have borne the image of the earthy,
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
NO terra firma in the heaven
Jesus says this ...
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Jesus says last day how does time get counted after the last day? Does any one believe Jesus really meant last day? notice He is not saying last day of or last days . What power of thought do His words have in your understanding of end times?
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Jesus says last day how does time get counted after the last day? Does any one believe Jesus really meant last day? notice He is not saying last day of or last days . What power of thought do His words have in your understanding of end times?
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I Corinthians
15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Revelation
19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
The Bride is seen to be in Heaven after she has been raptured and changed.
15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Revelation
19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
The Bride is seen to be in Heaven after she has been raptured and changed.
Before Christ ascended, He DESCENDED to Hades and "preached to the spirits in prison". He took the saved souls from Abraham's bosom to heaven.
No, and no. How could any human bodies resurrect when 1 Cor 15:23 tells us WHEN all believers will be resurrected.
Their souls came back to mortal bodies. There is zero evidence that they received glorified bodies.
And 1 Cor 15:23 doesn't permit such a thing. So I don't have any problem with any of these accounts. Not even Lazarus received a glorified body.
No, and no. How could any human bodies resurrect when 1 Cor 15:23 tells us WHEN all believers will be resurrected.
Their souls came back to mortal bodies. There is zero evidence that they received glorified bodies.
And 1 Cor 15:23 doesn't permit such a thing. So I don't have any problem with any of these accounts. Not even Lazarus received a glorified body.