Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

Yes, election is always for service, never for salvation. However, Eph 1:4 was written to Gentiles and says that God chose believers to be holy and blameless. That's everyone in Christ, both Jew and Gentile.

His Disciples are the His Bride = the Church, who are the Called Out Ones from the FATHER.

JESUS the Bridegroom and His Bride - John 3:25-30
"Then there arose a dispute between some of John’s disciples and the Jews about purification. And they came to John and said to him, “Rabbi, He who was with you beyond the Jordan, to whom you have testified—behold, He is baptizing, and all are coming to Him!”
John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven. You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,’ but, ‘I have been sent before Him.’ He who has the Bride is the Bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the Bridegroom’s voice.



i have been praying for you John so that you may know and believe the Word of Truth as it is written.
It is in your best interest to study the Scriptures exactly as they are written word for word and never add or take away from His Word.

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

Not one person on here has ever been able to bring forth a single Scripture where 'pre-trib rapture' came out of the Mouth of God.

Please review Post #3,175

It is your best interest to rightly dividing the word of truth. Every word of God is pure. I have the holy, pure words of God. Do you? I don't listen to anyone posting false versions. You need to seek out the truth before correcting someone on doctrine. You use a version that taints errors throughout.

What version due you use John?

God’s holy and pure preserved words as found in the KJV.

Where do you get the confirmation of that belief?

Study, compare, and prayer

if another person studies compares and and prays through the study comparing and prayer come to a different belief are they wrong?

With all sincerity, have you? Do you believe you have the holy, pure preserved words of God?

That is a cop out reply . So i will guess i have the correct answer thanks
'King James' is my favorite

...and those who were raptured seven years prior will be coming with Him.

Revelation

19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Please quote the verse/passage that clearly shows Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

Nope. Not here.

So, where?

I have several things to say but I have to ask this first to all that are speaking on this thread. Do you believe that the whole bible from Genesis to Revelation is the inspiried word of God.

I do.

This may sound harsh, mean, insensitive Etc. But it is not This is coming from Gods word it is a call to repentance, and a turning from evil.


Verse 1."If thou wilt return, O Israel, saith the LORD, return unto me: and if thou wilt put away thine abominations out of my sight, then shalt thou not remove."



Both Judah and Israel have turned there backs on God, and turned to other gods. A little history here the 12 tribes of Israel split into 2 different houses, nations. This took place after the death of King Solomon. You have the 10 northern tribes The House of Israel and then you have Judah and Benjamin The House of Judah.



Verse 2."And thou shalt swear, The LORD liveth, in truth, in judgment, and in righteousness; and the nations shall bless themselves in Him, and in Him shall they glory."



God is going to see to it you tell the truth about His promise to Abraham to bless the nations; (the nations) this refers to all Israel the 10 tribes and the rest of the gentile nations. In other words the whole world shall know His righteousness and His Judgments.



Verse 3. "For thus saith the LORD to the men of Judah and Jerusalem, Break up your fallow ground, and sow not among thorns.”



This is an agricultural term that means to plow the ground and get it ready for planting. Remember Judah is both the tribes of Judah and Benjamin and those that are in Jerusalem. This analogy is applied to the instructions that God gave in verse two. Before you can testify that God lives, and to the laws and covenant to the nations, you have to prepare the minds of those nations to receive that testimony. Thorns are always symbolic of the choking of Satan.

Verse 4. "Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings."



Deuteronomy4:24. For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire,even a jealous God.

Hebrews12:29.For our God is a consuming fire.

This is not talking about anything physical. It is Spiritual. Our Father will have nothing to do with sinfulness, and evil. As stated in both Deuteronomy, and Hebrews Our Father is a consuming fire. This is not talking about flesh, but spiritually of your heart. This applies to both men and women are to be circumcised in heart, which is better translated mind. God was not happy with His children in Jeremiah's day, nor is He happy with His children in our generation. People today, even those calling themselves Christian, have sunk to a new low, even compared to the days of Sodom. It is a disgrace.

The blame starts with the pastors that have not taught the truth, and taught parents how to discipline their children. There is no discipline in most churches in correcting the very members, and giving them discipline. There is no instruction in the feeding of the sheep in preparing them to exist and live in this earth age. It is time to wake up and prepare for the deception that is coming upon the whole world, before it is too late.



Verse 5"Declare ye in Judah, and publish in Jerusalem; and say, Blow ye the trumpet in the land: cry, gather together, and say, Assemble yourselves, and let us go into the defenced cities."

God is telling us to gather together those with like minds, with the Word of God. Don't let the next verse slip by you.

Verse 6."Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction."

Who is our standard? It is Jesus Christ The Lord of lords and King of kings. Retire: Regroup, get ready for what is coming. What is coming in this day and time? The great apostasy: a falling away, a withdrawal, a defection from the true word of God; and the coming of the false one, the anti Christ Satan. You can find a great example of this in 2nd Thessalonians 2 where Paul puts to death the rapture theory. You do not have to worry one bit about the tribulation, torture, being hung, ect all the lies in the Left Behind books and movies. God is going to take care of us just as He took care of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego in the fiery furnace. Daniel 3.

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Luke 21:11 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synag12ogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.13And it shall turn to you for a testimony.14Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:15For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.16And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.17And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.18But there shall not an hair of your head perish.19In your patience possess ye your souls.

Revelation 2:Message to the Church in Smyrna

8And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. 10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Notice both of these examples even if you are one of those chosen by God to be brought before Satan you cannot be killed, in fact Luck says not a hair on your head will parish. In Danial the 3 Hebrew's come out of the fire without a mark on them. They did not even have the smell of smoke on there clothes.

DO NOT thank for one moment that God can not take care of His own at any time in any place with anything that might be happening.

More to come

1 Corinthians
15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Although there is controversy about which (symbolic/type) of OT trumpet Paul is referring to (and yes it is almost certainly an OT "type" trumpet), there is absolutely no doubt that it is NOT one peculiar trumpet. It absolutely is NOT the 7th trumpet of Revelation.

This has to be the the most blatantly egregious error of the hopelessly addled post-tribbers.

Part 2

Verse 7. "The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant."

This is not the Lion of the Tribe of Judah (Jesus) He is not hiding in a thicket and He is not destroyer of the Gentiles. This is The Anti Christ the king of Babylon, Satan. This is part of that which was spoken of by the prophet Danial (let the reader understand) in the teaching of Jesus in Matthew 24 and Mark 13. Have you been taught it, do you understand it. Jesus told you to understand it!

Verse 8. "For this gird you with sackcloth, lament and howl: for the fierce anger of the LORD is not turned back from us."

God is promising that it shall happen exactly as it is written. Remember that when Jeremiah was prophesying, there were many false prophets that were there saying, It is not going to happen. You're not going into captivity. There will be peace, and everything will be all right. This is just like those today that lie and say; "You don't need to seek out and study the book of Revelation, you will be absent at that time". "You are going to escape and fly away leaving others behind." This is false information, and this is a doctrine leading you straight to spiritual death.

God is not happy with the way His People are acting. He is not happy with what the majority of the prophets are teaching. The same thing is going on today in many “Christian Churches” Pastors Etc. are preaching to itching ears. God has laid out His plan and it is the same from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21. Hebrews13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.



Verse9."And it shall come to pass at that day, saith the LORD, that the heart of the king shall perish, and the heart of the princes; and the priests shall be astonished, and the prophets shall wonder."

Just as they all did wonder in the days of Jeremiah so shall the church leaders, preachers, leaders of the community wonder in these days we live in “ Where did we go wrong” They are counting on there fly away doctrine to keep them from the time of desolation and destruction that is coming.

English Standard Version
“But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains

Berean Study Bible
So when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

King James Bible
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
When teachings and instruction is contrary to the Word of God, they are a lie. If you chose to believe a lie, and turn away from the Word given by God, you deserve to be astonished.

Verse 10."Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul.

Jeremiah is speaking here. This is the time that you are to have your Gospel armor on and have the seal of God in your forehead (what is in or behind your forehead your brain. If you don't get this just tap your forehead and ask yourself “What is back there” it is your mind, you brain)

Revelation 9:4 English Standard Version
They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

Berean Study Bible
They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.



King James Bible
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Jeremiah is trying to lay the blame at the feet of God for allowing the false prophets to teach there lies. This same thing is happening today in many Churches in our town, in our country and around the world. The false teaching of the rapture, the fly away doctrine IS A LIE!

Who are you going to believe God or man?

Verse. 11 "At that time shall it be said to this people and to Jerusalem, A dry wind of the high places in the wilderness toward the daughter of my people, not to fan, nor to cleanse,"

This was written for the people of Jeremiah day and ours (The generation of the Fig Tree) This is speaking of the same thing that Jesus taught in the parable of the wheat and the tares. This wind will be used to separate the wheat from the tares and the husk, and anything else that would pollute the wheat(the children of the Kingdom). You must be ready for this time the prophesies of the Bible The word of God are true and have and will come to pass just as they are written. No where is it written we will fly away!

Verse 12. Jeremiah 4:12 "Even a full wind from those places shall come unto me: now also will I give sentence against them."

God is telling you that it is He that will do the judging. God is angry at His people for not reading and watching for those signs that He has given that will come before the sudden destruction of the end times. We have the so-called prophets and priests that make their false claims today, just as Jeremiah faced before the sudden destruction that came from Babylon. These so-called prophets have muddied the water with their confusion so bad that a true person could not see the truth if they tried.

Jeremiah 4:13 "Behold, he shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind: his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe unto us! for we are spoiled."

He (he Satan) here is the enemy it is not Jesus. Woe unto us! For we are spoiled(we are deceived)

Revelation 13:13

Berean Study Bible
And the second beast performed great signs to cause even fire from heaven to come down to earth in the presence of the people.
King James Bible
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

If you have not been taught this you will follow after the false one Satan. This is what Jesus taught in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. You must be ready you do not want to be the first on taken. If you are you will be taken by the False Christ Satan!

Depends how you define scripture and if that definition of scripture matches what the Bible says scripture is.