The Need For A Church Council

I suppose you could accurately say that Mary was the physical mother of the incarnate God... but to try to say that Mary is the "mother of God" is blasphemy, IMHO.
Mary was a special woman who was chosen by God to be the vessel to give birth to Jesus. That does not grant her "divine" status.

con·form
/kənˈfôrm/
verb
comply with rules, standards, or laws.
"the kitchen does not conform to hygiene regulations"
Similar:
comply with
abide by
obey
observe
follow
keep to
hold to
adhere to
satisfy
match up to
meet
fulfill
be in accordance with
stick to
stand by
act in accordance with
uphold
heed
pay attention to
agree to/with
consent to
accede to
accept
acquiesce in
go along with
fall in with
adapt to
accommodate to
adjust to
acknowledge
respect
defer to
Opposite:
flout
(of a person) behave according to socially acceptable conventions or standards.
"the pressure to conform"
Similar:
follow convention
be conventional
follow tradition
follow custom
fit in
adapt
adjust
follow the crowd
run with the pack
swim with the stream
comply
acquiesce
do what one is told
toe the line
obey the rules
comply with the rules
observe the rules
abide by the rules
adhere to the rules
follow the rules
keep to the rules
stick to the rules
submit
yield
play it by the book
play by the rules
keep in step
go with the flow
Opposite:
rebel
be similar in form or type; agree.
"the countryside should conform to a certain idea of the picturesque"

Now where is freedom in this?
How well did the christian crusade work out? That was all about conformity.
New world order is also about conformity.

Now where is freedom in this?
How well did the christian crusade work out? That was all about conformity.
New world order is also about conformity.

My mother gave birth to Xavier. She did not create my soul, God alone did that. But she is still the mother of my whole person. And the same is true of Mary. Mary is the Mother of the One Person, Our Lord Jesus Christ, Who is God.

God Bless.

I suppose you could accurately say that Mary was the physical mother of the incarnate God... but to try to say that Mary is the "mother of God" is blasphemy, IMHO.
Mary was a special woman who was chosen by God to be the vessel to give birth to Jesus. That does not grant her "divine" status.

Sorry, but you are wrong.. I suggest you familiarize yourself with Scripture and Gabriel's visit to Mary, Luke Cha 1.
God sends his angel to Mary to announce to her that she will be the mother of His Son, Jesus..

Then the angel told her, “Stop being afraid, Mary, because you have found favor with God. 31 Listen! You will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David. 33 He will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and his kingdom will never end.”

34 Mary asked the angel, “How can this happen, since I have not had relations with a man?”

35 The angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come over you, and the power of the Most High will surround you. , the child will be holy and will be called the Son of God. 36 And listen! Elizabeth, your relative, has herself conceived a son in her old age, this woman who was rumored to be barren is in her sixth month. 37 Nothing is impossible with respect to any of God’s promises.”


So, if you read the Scripture, literally and without trying to twist it around to get it to mean what you want it to mean, you'll see that Mary will become a mother, the mother of Jesus,, Son of the Most High.

Furthermore, it's an insult to refer to anyone's mother as merely a vessel. Was your mother merely a vessel, I don't think so and neither was Jesus' mother merely a vessel.

Anyway, God made it clear, through the angel Gabriel, that Mary was to be the mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God.
But, if you don't really believe the Gospel of luke, God's word, you don't have to. And the Word was made Fl,esh!!!!!!!!!

The angel tells her she is highly favored among women. That's it that's all. She was a vessel. Jesus was there at creation. He came in the flesh to show us the Father. You are swatting at the air regarding these comments as no one has insulted Mary or said she was not special or chosen.

She is not to be prayed to however nor worshipped. That would basically make her an idol as we are to worship God alone. Thou shalt have not other gods before me. Don't wear out that exclamation mark key. You might actually need it one day.

Hi Brother Avery.

Jesus' Actual Father is of course His Eternal Father, God the Father. Jesus' Adoptive Father was St. Joseph, through whom His lineage goes back to King David. Mother Mary also was most likely of the tribe of David just like St. Joseph, as most Israelites married within their own tribe. Some Church Fathers say the Gospel of Luke gives the lineage of Mary. The Gospel of Matthew of course traces the human lineage of Christ to David and Abraham through Joseph. St. Joseph of course was not the literal father of Jesus Christ, because of the Virgin Birth, but loved Him with a Father's Heart.

Hence, he is called father in a metaphorical sense in Luk 2:48-50:

"48When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.”

49“Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?” f 50But they did not understand what he was saying to them." (Luk 2:48-50)

God Bless.

Again I ask, who in the world would consider a mother to be merely a vessel? Was your mother merely a vessel for you? Jesus hears/sees you insulting His mother.

Elizabeth, speaking through the Holy Ghost, calls Mary the Mother of the Lord. "But why am I so favored, that the Mother of my Lord should come to me?" (Luk 1:43). Elizabeth considers being visited by the Mother of God to be a Great Privilege.

Lord here is Kyrios in Greek and Adonai in Hebrew. It was how the Jews refer to God. The same as when the Bible says, Jesus is Lord, it is saying, He is God.

Mary is the Mother of the Lord Jesus Christ, and therefore is the Mother of Jesus Christ our God.

My mother gave birth to Xavier. She did not create my soul, God alone did that. But she is still the mother of my whole person. And the same is true of Mary. Mary is the Mother of the One Person, Our Lord Jesus Christ, Who is God.

God Bless.

Again I ask, who in the world would consider a mother to be merely a vessel? Was your mother merely a vessel for you? Jesus hears/sees you insulting His mother.

We do not pray to Mary, but we ask Mary to pray for us, just as other Christians ask Pastors etc to pray for them.

Do you want to argue semantics? You simply want to argue?
Do you pray to Mary? Do you see her as God? What is Mary to you?

Actually, I absolutely agree that Mary is not God and is not to be worshipped. No question there.

Is Mary due honor from me? Well, God the Father honored Mary by choosing her to be the mother of Jesus, we know that Jesus honored Mary (honor thy father and thy mother), and we know that the Holy Spirit honored Mary by conceiving Jesus with her. So, it's obvious that God views Mary as being worthy of His honor and attuning my will to God's, so do I.

Did the early Apolostic Church Christians pray to Mary? Why yes the did, going back to the first century. There is ample proof that Christians of the early Church prayed to Mary for Jesus' intercession. These Christians were only a generation away from the Apostles.

A very significant fresco found in the catacombs of St. Agnes depicts Mary situated between St. Peter and St. Paul with her arms outstretched to both. This fresco reflects, in the language of Christian frescoes, the earliest symbol of Mary as "Mother of the Church." Whenever Peter and Paul are shown together, it is symbolic of the one Church of Christ, a Church of authority and evangelization, a Church for both Jew and Gentile. Mary's prominent position between Peter and Paul illustrates the recognition by the Apostolic Church of the maternal centrality of the Savior's Mother in his young Church.

It is also clear from the number of representations of the Blessed Virgin and their locations in the catacombs that the Mother of Jesus was also recognized for her maternal intercession of protection and defense. Her image was present on tombs, as well as on the large central vaults of the catacombs. Clearly, the early Christians dwelling in the catacombs prayed to Mary as intercessor to her Son for special protection and for motherly assistance. As early as the first century to the first half of the second century, Mary's role as Spiritual Mother was recognized and her protective intercession was invoked. (2)

I cannot help you. Your comprehension radar is malfunctioning. You appear to have a Bible. I suggest you look up how the word conform is used in that book. If you still think it is a bad word, kindly just move on as if even that does not help you out, there is no used in pursuing it further.

It's not a salvic issue but it does help our understanding of our walk as believers. It is Christ we conform to; not other believers and for some reason, you appear to be stuck on thinking otherwise.



Seriously? You think that is what conformity to Christ might mean? Perhaps read my post 37 again in which I tried to explain your misapplication to you.

over 'n out

a council is just an elected body of people to oversee the people. We see this in the Old Testament with Moses and Judges. Then with Jesus and the disciples. Finally in the book of Acts. Council, elders, or five fold are all ordained by God. yet anyone of them can be corrupted. There is not one office God created man did not do wrong.

• Moses struck the rock
• Samson's drunkenness and violating his Office
• the church in Corinth