I am the only person on Earth that believes Genesis 2:17

It's pretty much impossible to take anyone seriously when they say they take the Bible literally.

Not that we are not to, but certainly not in every single instance. The apple of God's eye, etc etc etc.

Oh, OP is banned. That didn't take long

Mark 9:47 “And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter
the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell.”

John 6:51 “I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread,
he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.”

Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife
and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.”

Mark 9:45 “And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better
for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell.”

John 6:54 “Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood
has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

Moses talking to IAM only person who has read it perfectly is admired, John 21: (Will keep you reading till you run out of time, good luck) Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

I haven't followed the thread but....I believe this is the first time God shows grace to man. Man tried to cover his sin through works, but God gave man grace and man did not die, instead, a the sacrifice of a lamb was substituted.

That certainly didn't last long....

Gen 2:17.....This is the death that Adam cause mankind to have. Paul talks about this in Romans 5: 12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Also Paul says in Hebrews 9: 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Now to go deep into this death which is cause by sin, this action Adam also cause the second death as well. That's why Paul says after this the Judgement. This second death is what Jesus stop for those who come under his blood, repent for the mission of sins, and in the old Testament those who did the animal sacrifice law for righteousness sake. But Paul explained this in; (Hebrews 10: (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The point that is not understand is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (20) by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) and having an high priest over the house of God; (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).


I hope I didn't miss the point, because there's so such that can be discuss from that one scripture.

I realize OP is banned and can't reply, but the sake of completeness, I think the topic is still worthwhile to address this.

"in that day dying thou shall die" / "in that day you shall die"

The word "day" still there, and is the same "day" that is used to reference the seventh "day" earlier in Gen 2.

If this verse is taken completely literal, it appears to be at odds with the verse that states that Adam lived for hundreds of years.

There are two elements in the phrase "in that day you shall die"
A) Day
B) Die

- A figurative day is often rendered through Psalm 90:4 "a day in the eyes of the Lord..." to mean some long length of time not necessarily associated with a definite length.

- A figurative death is often rendered through "Spiritual death" or similar.

We can create a table to test figurative vs. literal (meaning we have 2^2=4 total combinations). But do all of them make sense?

1) Figurative death, figurative day
- No apparent conflict. The phrase "in the day" wouldn't necessarily connote that the event happens after a day's length. The action of spiritual death could be instantaneous even if day references an nonspecific long length of time.

2) Figurative death, literal day
- No apparent conflict. It's the same scenario as 1.

3) Literal death, figurative day
- No apparent conflict. Adam literally dies after 930 years (Gen 5:5)

4) Literal death, literal day
- This interpretation requires a bodily resurrection in order to be true. A physical death on that day and a subsequent resurrection is not mentioned, but would be required in order to make a literal interpretation possible. You could support an entirely literal interpretation of Gen 2:17 without creating a necessary conflict, it just requires a component that is not evident.

And which interpretation should we endorse? Much of that will come down to how we interpret surrounding texts. It's a good topic.

To me, Romans 5 pretty much kills off any idea that says "we all ate the forbidden fruit"; and the idea of the trees being women seems far out, even if I were to adopt a symbolic "poetry" interpretation of Genesis (which I don't). Do women bear 12 different kinds of fruit? Is this even a "monthly cycle"? I'm pretty sure it just means the tree always bear fruit year round- as opposed to... y'know... normal trees- which typically don't. The second death of Adam? I don't see that. or the forbidden fruit being the cup of Gethsemane. Or Jesus preaching to us before we were born. But I thought there was some good bible discussion material brought up.

It's true that both Mystery Babylon and the Earth are said to have swallowed the blood of the dead. If you're a Genesis-literalist you're not as likely to make that connection because one is prophetic imagery while the other is people's blood, literally going back to the earth. I think the parallel is worth observation even though I wouldn't combine the two.

Also, a question this interpretation does answer is "what about the serpent's seed?". The Seed of the woman is the seed of the woman in a literal reading, but what is the seed of the serpent? John the Baptist and Jesus both proclaimed the Pharisees at least to be a brood of Vipers- but were they literally born from Satan physically? I don't think so. Not that I have no confidence in what I believe- but I honestly don't have a good counter-point for why one would be literal and the other not.

So... Psalm 139, I was not really all that familiar with before. Psalms are not necessarily literal, but this one looks like it could be... and if so, could even be about Adam specifically.

Ephesians 4:9... Now that could, I guess, refer to the womb, but since he pulled out 1Pet, I'm gonna pull out the context of 1Pet.
18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring [f]us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20who formerly were disobedient, [g]when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. Yeah, that does not sound like the womb to me... but- if you're going to call the ante-diluvian period "poetry", that represents your time in the womb... I have no idea how to challenge that idea because I don't know how someone would make that make any sense whatsoever.

Well from the way is originally written only one die and what God said happened. See He said DON"T EAT so for them to EAT they just sinned and that sin equals death. Which He told them. You eat you will die. Because again to eat of it thy would be disobeying God which is always a sin.

No surprise there.

I believe in this verse.

Meanwhile, Sudakar is allowed to stay

Did mod change the thread title? I thought it was originally phrased as a question

There are 2 threads like this. 3 if you count Sudakar.

But wasn't this originally: Am I the only person on Earth that believes Genesis 2:17?

Now it is a statement.

I was wondering the same thing🤔🤔🤔

I'm alive. That's proof. if Adam and Eve had died physically, the human race would have been finished before it started. Why is that so hard for you to understand? If telling you the truth is smarmy and arrogant, then guilty as charged.

No idea where Yokefellow was coming from, but there exists the interpretation that "Adam and Eve died in that day but were resurrected on the same day". The interpretation requires accepting a resurrection event that is not described in the texts, but it is one way to create consistency between a completely literal Gen 2:17 and the rest of scripture.

Just food for thought.

Agreed.
That is a literal condition set by God to establish a righteous standard requiring the following of His commandments.

Good Morning!
My Thought.
1. Consider, a "day" 1000 years, they died in that "day"...no one lived past 1000

2. Removed , back out of the Garden, separation from God. A man without Christ is a "dead man" walking...

God Bless!