Did Jesus died on Good Friday and rise Sunday, first day of the week?

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John146

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That is not the only reconciliation you need to implement.

The problems with your elaborate chronology are many.

Here is a verse that states that Jesus rose on early on Sunday morning.

Mark 16:9
Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.

That verse declares that Jesus did not rise on the Sabbath.

You must have Jesus rising on the sabbath day, otherwise, you have got yourself a fourth day resurrection.
After he had risen he appeared to Mary. He had already risen!
 

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After he had risen he appeared to Mary. He had already risen!
After He had risen early on the first day of the week. He first appeared to Mary Magdalene...

See the way I punctuated that sentence. The way you read that verse follows the punctuation that a translator chooses. With ancient Koine Greek there was no punctuation. The translators decide on the punctuation.

There are two ways or more to punctuate that verse.

After He had risen early on the first day of the week.

He first appeared to Mary...

 

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After He had risen early on the first day of the week. He first appeared to Mary Magdalene...

See the way I punctuated that sentence. The way you read that verse follows the punctuation that a translator chooses. With ancient Koine Greek there was no punctuation. The translators decide on the punctuation.

There are two ways or more to punctuate that verse.

After He had risen early on the first day of the week.

He first appeared to Mary...
The women came to the tomb before sunrise while it was still dark. Jesus well could have risen right at 6pm earlier that day, which would still give three days and three nights.
 
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Jesus died on the ninth hour - 3:00 pm, that was very close to the end of the day - which was 6:00 pm. If it was Friday, then there were only two nights - Friday to Saturday, Saturday to Sunday. That doesn't make sense. It should be Thursday.
Brother Carry_Your_Name:

Well, in Jewish reckoning, as shown from that quote in the Jewish Encyclopedia, any part of a day is taken as a day. So the timing is irrelevant. Jesus was on the Cross on Friday, that was the first day. Saturday, the Sabbath, was the second. And the third was Sunday.

But it's a minor issue imho.
 
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Brother Carry_Your_Name:

Well, in Jewish reckoning, as shown from that quote in the Jewish Encyclopedia, any part of a day is taken as a day. So the timing is irrelevant. Jesus was on the Cross on Friday, that was the first day. Saturday, the Sabbath, was the second. And the third was Sunday.

But it's a minor issue imho.
Timing is not irrelevant. Yes, any part of a day is taken as a day, but a calendar day was counted from sundown to sundown, night always came first, and he must be buried three nights. If it was Friday, then that’s only two nights.
 

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Although this is the last hours of the 14th and the first hours of the 15th day of the Jewish calendar, this is still Wednesday. The Gregorian Thursday doesn't officially happen until approximately 5 hours have passed at midnight.
So,

nights wise, you are actually speaking to Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday night, which leaves Saturday morning among the day count but excludes Saturday night. The first day before dawn would include anywhere from sunset saturday to sunrise Sunday.

He wasn't in tomb on Wednesday. He was in it at start of thursday (night 1) the rest of thursday (day 1), at start of friday (night 2) the rest of (day 2), at start of saturday (night 3) the rest of (day 3) rising exactly when Sunday started at night. People went to grave not long after and he was already gone.
 

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Jesus was on the Cross on Friday, that was the first day. Saturday, the Sabbath, was the second. And the third was Sunday.
No it's not the first day. The 3 days and nights are when he was in the grave. He wasn't crucified in a grave.
 

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The women came to the tomb before sunrise while it was still dark. Jesus well could have risen right at 6pm earlier that day, which would still give three days and three nights.
I have Mary at the tomb after the sun had risen.

Mark 16:2
And very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

It is highly unlikely that Jesus rose 12 hours before Mary arrived at the tomb.

Jesus must rise on the third day and cannot rise after three days.

Jesus died at 3pm and was buried before sunset and the sabbath was about to begin.

Jesus was buried on the day of preparation for the sabbath.

This is the simple narration found throughout the gospels.

Unfortunately for the other variations, church tradition also depicts this narration.

The case is closed.
 

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No it's not the first day. The 3 days and nights are when he was in the grave. He wasn't crucified in a grave.
Jesus rose on the third day. You persist in claiming Jesus rose after the third day. It is a simple matter to have Christ entombed before the sabbath, and risen from the tomb on the first day.

Jesus cannot be in the tomb for three days and nights.

Why do you keep claiming that Jesus did not rise on the third day?

Is the sabbath that important to you?
 

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Jesus rose on the third day. You persist in claiming Jesus rose after the third day.
It's what Jesus said.

Mar_8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.


Jesus cannot be in the tomb for three days and nights.
Then you twice deny the words of Christ.


Mat_12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.



Why do you keep claiming that Jesus did not rise on the third day?
I have never claimed that. I believe both rising on the 3rd day AND rising after three days.



Is the sabbath that important to you?
I don't keep the saturday Sabbath.
 
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It's what Jesus said.

Mar_8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.




Then you twice deny the words of Christ.


Mat_12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.





I have never claimed that. I believe both rising on the 3rd day AND rising after three days.





I don't keep the saturday Sabbath.
Matt. 28:62-64, by BIBLICAL definition, "after three days" and "on the third day" are the same. I believe in the bible rather than you.
 

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It's what Jesus said.

Mar_8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Then you twice deny the words of Christ.
An inquisitor cannot be accused of transgression, by you or anyone else.
Mat_12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
That is definitely wrong. A fourth day resurrection is a heresy.
I have never claimed that. I believe both rising on the 3rd day AND rising after three days.
You cannot believe in a contradiction.

We know that Jesus did not rise after three days.

I do not hold that the gospels are perfect, not by a long shot.

I will deny that Jesus rose on the fourth day.

So in the end, I just flow with the traditional narration.

The simplest possible narration will be correct.
 

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I have Mary at the tomb after the sun had risen.

Mark 16:2
And very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

It is highly unlikely that Jesus rose 12 hours before Mary arrived at the tomb.

Jesus must rise on the third day and cannot rise after three days.

Jesus died at 3pm and was buried before sunset and the sabbath was about to begin.

Jesus was buried on the day of preparation for the sabbath.

This is the simple narration found throughout the gospels.

Unfortunately for the other variations, church tradition also depicts this narration.

The case is closed.
It was early in the morning, as the sun was to rise, while it was still dark. Not one person witnessed the resurrection. Christ had already resurrected when the women show up at the tomb. The stone is rolled away to bear witness that Jesus had resurrected. Jesus did not need the stone rolled away to come out of the tomb. At this point, he can walk through walls.

John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
 

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You may need to be more accurate in the way you read the scripture.

The Gentiles who live, reside, amongst the people of Israel (sojourner) are considered members of the nation of Israel.

“Sojourner” is the frequent translation of the Hebrew word 'ger'. This Hebrew term convey the basic idea that a person is residing, either temporarily or permanently in Israel.

Gentile nations are not members of that old covenant between God and Israel.

God instructed Israel to destroy the seven nations surrounding Israel. Trust me, those nations are not covenant nations.

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon the holy city

That verse in Daniel does not mention Gentile nations.

I am not aware of the inclusion of any other nation in that old covenant.

At first I was a little lost in what your saying I'm saying, but let's go back to the scriptures in Daniel 9:24-27.(Verse 24) "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon the holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." (Verse 25) "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times: (Verse 26). "And after threescore and two weeks shall the Messiah be cut off, but for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Who were the people of the prince? The Romans and they are the Gentiles, according to Genesis 10: 1-5 . After the death of Jesus, Jerusalem lasted until 70 A.D. That is when the Roman general, Titus, came in and destroyed it. Let's take a look at in Luke 19: 41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42 saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. 43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44 and shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Also again Jesus go into further break down in this time which is 70 A.D. concerning the Gentiles in Luke 21: 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
 

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It was early in the morning, as the sun was to rise, while it was still dark. Not one person witnessed the resurrection. Christ had already resurrected when the women show up at the tomb. The stone is rolled away to bear witness that Jesus had resurrected. Jesus did not need the stone rolled away to come out of the tomb. At this point, he can walk through walls.

John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
It was Sunday (first day) when Mary went to the tomb.
 

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At first I was a little lost in what your saying I'm saying, but let's go back to the scriptures in Daniel 9:24-27.(Verse 24) "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon the holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." (Verse 25) "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times: (Verse 26). "And after threescore and two weeks shall the Messiah be cut off, but for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Who were the people of the prince? The Romans and they are the Gentiles, according to Genesis 10: 1-5 . After the death of Jesus, Jerusalem lasted until 70 A.D. That is when the Roman general, Titus, came in and destroyed it. Let's take a look at in Luke 19: 41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42 saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. 43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44 and shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Also again Jesus go into further break down in this time which is 70 A.D. concerning the Gentiles in Luke 21: 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
I agree with what you wrote.

What has that got to do with my previous post?
 
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The majority christians believe that Jesus died on good Friday and rose Sunday. Yet when we compare this to what Jesus himself said about how long he would be in grave we see we have little problem. Jesus was always being inquired of by the Jews for a sign. He gave them one in reference to His death and resurrection. He told them that just like Jonas, He would be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights. In the Gospel of John Jesus again gave the Jews a sign by telling them if this temple was destroyed He would raise it up in 3 days. Jesus was referring to His body.

(Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

So we are going to pretend Jonas wasn't in the belly of a whale. Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three night. (Jonas 1:17)

Let's take another look at it (John 2:18) Then answered the Jews and said unto him, “What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?” (19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? (21) But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jesus makes it clear the time between His death and resurrection would be 3 days and 3 nights.

Cannot Get 3 Days And 3 Nights

Now despite the fact that Jesus Himself said that He would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights, man has come up with the tradition of Jesus dying on Good Friday and rising early Sunday morning. In following this tradition, not only does one not observe one of God's Holy Days, which is the Passover, they directly deny the words of Jesus. It was Jesus who gave the sign of being in the grave 3 days and 3 nights. The tradition of Good Friday and Easter clearly does not line up with scripture. Because following this tradition the maximum one has Jesus in the grave is 1 day and 2 nights.

According to tradition, if Jesus had died on Friday, He would have been in the grave Friday night, Saturday day and Saturday night. One would not count Sunday because in John (20:1) it states that the 1st day of the week which is Sunday, Mary came to the grave site when it was still dark. In Luke (24:1-6) They find that the stone which was placed in front of the sepulcher had been removed and an angel tells them that Jesus had already risen.

Tradition Man - Good Friday to Easter Sunday Morning S U M T W TH F S
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(John 20:1) The first d ay of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. (2) Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

(Luke 24:1) Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. (2) And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. (3) And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. (4) And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:


(5) And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? (6) He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
Jesus died on a Wednesday and was Resurrected at the End of the Weekly Sabbath a Satuday
 

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Jesus died on a Wednesday and was Resurrected at the End of the Weekly Sabbath a Satuday
That's a fourth day resurrection.

The scripture simply talks about a preparation day, a sabbath, and then the first day.

Any attempt to alter this simple three day event will generate problems.