Did Jesus died on Good Friday and rise Sunday, first day of the week?

[ewq1938]

"After three days" simply means he'll be alive again after three days

That's not what the verse says:

Mar 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

"after three days rise again" means he would not resurrect until the third day was over.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

That's not what the verse says:

Mar 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

"after three days rise again" means he would not resurrect until the third day was over.

You just picked one verse and built your whole narrative around it. Here’s the problem: “after three days” would make it the fourth day, which excludes “in three days” and “on the third day”; however, the fourth day is included in the aftermath of “in three days” and “on the third day”. Since a Jesus was risen on the third day, he was also alive on the fourth day.

 

[Inquisitor]

Mark says Jesus rose after Saturday, early on Sunday. That obviously contradicts the other gospels. I proposed a solution so there is no contradiction.

Killed Wednesday, buried at the very moment Thursday happened, Friday and Saturday, rising exactly when it was both the 7th day and the 1st day. I know our human brains thinks that is impossible but I believe it is fully possible for God to do which means "on the third day" and "after three days" are not contradictions.

I agree, impossible for Jesus to have risen on two separate days, the seventh and the first day. You can drop that variation in the bin.

As I have said many times now, Jesus rose on the third day. If there is a way to lock that in, Jesus rose on the third day. Then you eliminate all the debate. Jesus was risen on the third day and that third day was early Sunday morning.

That aligns with church history and conforms with the bulk of the scripture.

 

[ewq1938]

I agree, impossible for Jesus to have risen on two separate days, the seventh and the first day. You can drop that variation in the bin.

As I have said many times now, Jesus rose on the third day. If there is a way to lock that in, Jesus rose on the third day. Then you eliminate all the debate. Jesus was risen on the third day and that third day was early Sunday morning.

I placed that one in the bin decades ago. Plus that isn't anywhere near rising AFTER the third day. That's rising ON the third day, the unscriptural partial day is a day theory. Plus he didn't rise during the day but at night. That's when the new day occurred.

 

[Inquisitor]

Then why did Christ say he would resurrect AFTER three days. There's another verse where people who had heard him say that repeat it to someone else.



It's not my claim. Christ claimed it. I merely quoted what he said.

Also, I don't need a verse saying he rose on Sabbath, but that he rose on the day after the Sabbath:

Mar_8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Mar_16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Do you disagree with what Mark has written?

Mark's statement (8:31) is probably inaccurate. The majority of verses have risen on the third day. The reason why is easy to see. After three days is a fourth day resurrection. That kind of talk agitates the inquisitor.
There is no way on earth, that Jesus rose after that third day.

Mark !6:9, oddly enough, is supported by tradition. So that verse would get a tick.

If the timing cannot be established accurately from the New Testament, then consult tradition.

Beyond any question, if the timing of the day variation is also embedded in tradition, then it is the most probable variation.

As far as doctrine is concerned, I adhere strictly to Paul's teaching. I do not use the Gospels to establish any doctrine.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I placed that one in the bin decades ago. Plus that isn't anywhere near rising AFTER the third day. That's rising ON the third day, the unscriptural partial day is a day theory. Plus he didn't rise during the day but at night. That's when the new day occurred.

Light of the World did not rise at night.

 

[Inquisitor]

I placed that one in the bin decades ago. Plus that isn't anywhere near rising AFTER the third day. That's rising ON the third day, the unscriptural partial day is a day theory. Plus he didn't rise during the day but at night. That's when the new day occurred.

I hold to the new day beginning after sunset. So I have Jesus rising on the first day, Sunday.
I prefer that Jesus rose IN three days and certainly not after three days. As Paul tells us, Jesus rose on the third day.

So a partial day is fine by me.

Good to see that you also cannot tolerate the teaching of the Nicolaitans.

 

[Inquisitor]

I placed that one in the bin decades ago. Plus that isn't anywhere near rising AFTER the third day. That's rising ON the third day, the unscriptural partial day is a day theory. Plus he didn't rise during the day but at night. That's when the new day occurred.

After sunset?

 

[ewq1938]

Light of the World did not rise at night.

Of course he did.

 

[ewq1938]

After sunset?

Probably closer to just before it...whenever it was considered the very first moments of the next day...again I see a perfect timing here that only God could orchestrate.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Of course he did.

Yeah, says you against the Scripture - where "after three days" is exactly the same as "the third day":

The next day, the one after Preparation Day, the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate. "Sir," they said, "we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, 'After three days I will rise again.' So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised from the dead. This last deception will be worse than the first." (Matt. 28:62-64)

 

[ewq1938]

Yeah, says you against the Scripture - where "after three days" is exactly the same as "the third day":

My position is scriptural. Yours isn't.

The next day, the one after Preparation Day, the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate. "Sir," they said, "we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, 'After three days I will rise again.' So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised from the dead.

How did that work out?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

My position is scriptural. Yours isn't.






How did that work out?

How did that not?

 

[ewq1938]

How did that not?

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Whatever guards there were did not stop Christ from leaving the tomb. They clearly left early or were stopped by God or angels.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

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Whatever guards there were did not stop Christ from leaving the tomb. They clearly left early or were stopped by God or angels.

Wrong, they were stationed there until the angel rolled away the stone at sunday morning (Matt. 28:2-4). None of them "left early".

 

[ewq1938]

Wrong, they were stationed there until the angel rolled away the stone at sunday morning (Matt. 28:2-4). None of them "left early".

Ah, so Roman soldiers were just fine with heavenly angels replacing their duties. That makes SENSE!!!!

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Yes, I believe Our Lord Jesus Christ was crucified on Friday and rose from the dead on Sunday. The First Day is Friday, the Second Day is Saturday, the Sabbath Day, and the Third Day is Sunday, the Lord's Day. "Three Days and Nights" is a Jewish Idiom and it means the same as "The Third Day". The Third Day is Easter Sunday:

"The Jewish people, even in Jesus' day, did not express time as Westerners do. They expressed things in round numbers. They considered any part of a day, however small, as a full day when it was included with a period of days. Thus, they counted the day on which any period began as the first day, and then they did the same thing on the day the period ended. Thus, just as Jonah was in the belly of the giant fish "three days and nights", so Jesus was in the tomb for "three days and three nights" (Matthew 12:40). Such expressions presented no problems for the Jews. Matt. 27:63,64.

The "Jewish Encyclopedia," Vol.4, pg.474, confirms this method of reckoning time. It reads, "A short time in the morning of the seventh day counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though, of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day."

So, in conclusion, we read this phrase "three days and three nights" as a figure of speech, not a specific time measurement, understandable in the Jewish mindset more readily than in our Western way of thinking."

https://www.answering-islam.org/Emails/birthdate.htm

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Ah, so Roman soldiers were just fine with heavenly angels replacing their duties. That makes SENSE!!!!

No they weren't. They fainted and fled.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Yes, I believe Our Lord Jesus Christ was crucified on Friday and rose from the dead on Sunday. The First Day is Friday, the Second Day is Saturday, the Sabbath Day, and the Third Day is Sunday, the Lord's Day. "Three Days and Nights" is a Jewish Idiom and it means the same as "The Third Day". The Third Day is Easter Sunday:

"The Jewish people, even in Jesus' day, did not express time as Westerners do. They expressed things in round numbers. They considered any part of a day, however small, as a full day when it was included with a period of days. Thus, they counted the day on which any period began as the first day, and then they did the same thing on the day the period ended. Thus, just as Jonah was in the belly of the giant fish "three days and nights", so Jesus was in the tomb for "three days and three nights" (Matthew 12:40). Such expressions presented no problems for the Jews. Matt. 27:63,64.

The "Jewish Encyclopedia," Vol.4, pg.474, confirms this method of reckoning time. It reads, "A short time in the morning of the seventh day counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though, of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day."

So, in conclusion, we read this phrase "three days and three nights" as a figure of speech, not a specific time measurement, understandable in the Jewish mindset more readily than in our Western way of thinking."

https://www.answering-islam.org/Emails/birthdate.htm

Jesus died on the ninth hour - 3:00 pm, that was very close to the end of the day - which was 6:00 pm. If it was Friday, then there were only two nights - Friday to Saturday, Saturday to Sunday. That doesn't make sense. It should be Thursday.

 

[Mem]

Killed Wednesday, buried at the very moment Thursday happened,

Although this is the last hours of the 14th and the first hours of the 15th day of the Jewish calendar, this is still Wednesday. The Gregorian Thursday doesn't officially happen until approximately 5 hours have passed at midnight.
So,

buried at the very moment Thursday happened, Friday and Saturday,

nights wise, you are actually speaking to Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday night, which leaves Saturday morning among the day count but excludes Saturday night. The first day before dawn would include anywhere from sunset saturday to sunrise Sunday.

They had to get them down because the next day was a high day annual sabbath. And yet, they bought the spices the day after this sabbath. They bought the spices on Friday, rested on Saturday the weekly sabbath, and went to the tomb early Sunday morning.

Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Every day before a sabbath was a preparation day. The crucifixion week had two Sabbaths and two preparation days.

Mark 16:1 specifies certain women, and another specifies after the sabbath on the first day if this one isn't speaking of after the seventh day rest, One account has 'the women' going home on the day of Jesus burial to prepare spices, but doesn't specify each woman. This neither denies or confirms that each account is speaking of the same women in particular. It's simply not very clear.