Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

FreeGrace2 said:
Where do you get that this "contradicts other things Jesus said"??? Please support your claim.
Here's a fresh thought for you. The dead do NOT know what's going on in THIS world. Rev 6:10 shows that they DO know a lot of things in heaven.

It isn't a parable. And, yes, the conscious dead still know where they are and where their relatives are.

You are unteachable. You have been given clear explanations of why there isn't any such thing as soul sleep. But you prefer your own opinions, or whoever taught you these things.

Quick note on this phrase: since John clearly mentioned the passage of time (day and night - 24 hours), immediately followed by "forever and ever", he was very clearly saying that those thrown into the lake of fire will experience torment for the passage of time being forever.

I will keep this short.

Eternal Torment was taught by all of the old preachers and commentators because that is what Scripture teaches. This recent attempt to get rid of Eternal Punishment is pure hogwash. It is an attempt to bring humanistic thinking, human science and human philosophy into Scripture.

If one sins, he sins against an eternal God. Since God is eternal, that sin is eternally with God. Therefore if it is not eternally covered over by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, then the just punishment is eternal.

If you want to believe that punishment is just obliteration, even though I don't see how that is better, then you are going to be in for a real surprise for eternity.

James defines death as seperation of body and spirit brother. By whatever it is called, seperation from God would be defined as death.

All art of him shows him as handicap and weak. Christian Texts outside the Bible says he is a lepard. With that disease, losing body parts happens.

a lazy person would not even get out of bed to beg. If he was a lepar, no one will hire him.

Yes, that is a very funny book indeed.

I did not say he was not given food brother. It is likely from the hardness of heart the rich man did not given him any food, but we were not there.

pick up at #2,299

And, when given an resurrected body it would be like the one in I Cor 15. There is no reference to the wicked not getting that kind of body? or is the body of them spelled out somewhere, friend.
Please answer in this thread https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...t-the-resurrected-body-of-the-unsaved.205058/

Runningman said:
He’s begging at a gate rather than working. What’s your definition of lazy?
He's just looking for excuses to falsely judge him. What is clear is that he was poor, and put down at the gate. That's all we know about him. The other poster simply judged him falsely without any evidence.

But, regardless, Lazarus ended up literally in Abraham's bosom, the other title of Paradise, where Jesus went when He died. The point of the account is that there are no second chances after death.

Ahh…
so you read it?

Do you have an explanation for WHY Jesus said this to one of the thieves on the cross:

Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” Luke 23:43

If every person who dies is in soul sleep, why would Jesus tell someone they would be with Him in Paradise, the SAME place Jesus said Lazarus went when he died? If everyone is asleep, why would Jesus make up a story about the dead being conscious?

These are questions soul sleepers cannot answer.

Paradise is simply a term for soul sleep of the righteous. Jesus was dead three days and came back. That man died that day as well. The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is just that. A parable.

How do you know this?

Why would Jesus tell someone who was about to go to sleep where he would be? Why does it matter where ANY soul goes if they are simply sleeping and unconscious? All of this makes no sense.

And Jesus didn't go to sleep. He went to "preach to the spirits in prison". How do you do that while asleep?

Why would Jesus tell a totally FALSE and made up story that isn't even possible if soul sleep is real?

It isn't a parable. It is a glimpse of the afterlife. And the teaching is that there are no second chances. Even some believers think there will be a second chance for everyone.

1 Pet 3:19 - in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison,

When do you think Jesus went to the spirits in prison? After He died. If there is soul sleep, how does this make sense?

Years ago, friend

try free trail https://www.perlego.com/book/249109...study-of-the-doctrine-of-final-punishment-pdf

And I understand those like you trying to rewrite our Bible.

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Amen! Forever.