Why is God's Name NOT in the Bible?

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Oblio

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Agreed. Depends who I am talking to too. What is your view on requiring Jesus to be referred to as Jesus of Nazareth?
I don't like people requiring me to do much of anything, to tell you the truth. I've done that before, and paid a high price. Live and learn.
"You may disagree with me, but I'll defend your right to disagree with me," is something I try to live. "Do to others as you would have them do to you." - Luke 6:31 God gave us free will. We can respect each other.
We put the Lord first, and as we walk together and get to trust each other, maybe we can learn from each other, perhaps even help each other.
"Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you." - - Colossians 3:13
 
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I don't like people requiring me to do much of anything, to tell you the truth. I've done that before, and paid a high price. Live and learn.
"You may disagree with me, but I'll defend your right to disagree with me," is something I try to live. "Do to others as you would have them do to you." - Luke 6:31 God gave us free will. We can respect each other.
We put the Lord first, and as we walk together and get to trust each other, maybe we can learn from each other, perhaps even help each other.
"Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you." - - Colossians 3:13
Me too. That isn't what I meant, though, sorry. What if God commanded you to refer to Jesus as Jesus of Nazareth?
 
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Me too. That isn't what I meant, though, sorry. What if God commanded you to refer to Jesus as Jesus of Nazareth?
Yeah. Of course! Though He's never told me what to call Him. He's always left that up to me.
 

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Maybe this could help explain the question?
I will live my life by faith in Jesus Christ
WOW! What a great addition to this thread! Thank you so much!
This video absolutely puts us on the right track!
 

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Throughout the Bible it is clear that GOD wants his name to be known and proclaimed.
In this day and age we can easily figure out that his name is YHWH (Pronounced Yahuah).
His name is always replaced with a Title, "the Lord". (about 6,800 times).
Can anyone explain why this has not been corrected? (IN ANY mainstream Bible).
“YHWH”

was originally an unpronounceable word like it was hidden from them. Later men decided it was pronounced “Yahweh” or “yahuah”

the Old Testament has a veil by which no one can really know God. But he promised that we would all know his name later in prophecy like this

Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭52:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: and also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.”
‭‭Joel‬ ‭2:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

( acts chapter two when they received the spirit and began to baptize in his name )

Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭48:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. …I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:12-13, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. …But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

….And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-3, 10, 12-14, 17-18‬ ‭

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:24-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

until the son was manifest the fullness of God ( father son and Holy Ghost ) was not manifest.

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭

while the ot declares things like “ I am “ to be his name it is as if we are looking through a veil and it’s pointing to Christ Jesus

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

… Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I Am.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51-53, 58‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In the end we realize God was slowly making himself known until Jesus arrived and tore the veil away and showed himself making his name known

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when we look at the ot it’s looking at God and hearing God through a veil in part the gospel is where he’s made himself Known

“Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament;

which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:12-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s why when they baptized it was into Jesus or “ yeshua” in hebrew tongues name. notice how if you saw “yeshua “ and we’re looking through a veil obscuring your sight it may look and sound like “ yahua”

just my own thoughts though not claiming to have the answers everyone needs to agree with
 

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Going with DLW's video, I hope I can explain why I think it is Ya-Hu-WaH:
1.Ya is used Many times referring to God on a stand-alone basis. (This includes Ex3)
2. Other words and people incorporate God's name for meaning i.e Yahudah (Judah) Yahusha (Joshua) NetanYAHU
If we use YeH Or YeH-WeH then it loses the connection to those other words and names, each have meaning.

So, in order to give meaning to other KNOWN names, God's name would have to coincide.
Thus YaHuaH

Anyways, that is what makes sense to me so far.

I want to add that in Ex 3
The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. (Exodus 3:13-15)

The words you see here "The LORD" is YHWH
 

Pilgrimshope

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Going with DLW's video, I hope I can explain why I think it is Ya-Hu-WaH:
1.Ya is used Many times referring to God on a stand-alone basis. (This includes Ex3)
2. Other words and people incorporate God's name for meaning i.e Yahudah (Judah) Yahusha (Joshua) NetanYAHU
If we use YeH Or YeH-WeH then it loses the connection to those other words and names, each have meaning.

So, in order to give meaning to other KNOWN names, God's name would have to coincide.
Thus YaHuaH

Anyways, that is what makes sense to me so far.

I want to add that in Ex 3
The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. (Exodus 3:13-15)

The words you see here "The LORD" is YHWH
“and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

notice it is t until the New Testament we hear of father son and Holy Ghost being one ? But obscurely from the beginning we see

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion …..upon the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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I very much enjoyed our discussion on this topic today.
I thought it was, at least, thought provoking.
I am sincerely trying to improve my relationship with God, as I trust we all are.

On an off-note..
This is what I do these days, being recently retired. I love music and hope to use it to help bring people close to God.
I wrote this a few months ago. If you care to give it a listen, I hope you enjoy it.
God Bless you all.

 

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Throughout the Bible it is clear that GOD wants his name to be known and proclaimed.
In this day and age we can easily figure out that his name is YHWH (Pronounced Yahuah).
His name is always replaced with a Title, "the Lord". (about 6,800 times).
Can anyone explain why this has not been corrected? (IN ANY mainstream Bible).
Simply. because the Jews thousands of years ago, decided that it was a sin to say His Name. So they refused to write or say His Name. The Bible translators decided to follow that tradition.

So you end up with a Bible minus the name of God in the Old Testament.

I am not impressed.
 

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Simply. because the Jews thousands of years ago, decided that it was a sin to say His Name. So they refused to write or say His Name. The Bible translators decided to follow that tradition.

So you end up with a Bible minus the name of God in the Old Testament.

I am not impressed.
That is so true. It is just interesting that the removal of God's name happened around the same time as the Pharisees from a Babylonian/Persian persuasion usurped the Temple via the Maccabean/Hasmonean revolt. This is when the legit Temple priests exiled themselves to Bethabara (Qumran).
It is also interesting to note that These very same Pharisees are in charge of the Jewish religion even today. They also played a very large role in the translation of the Bible. Flavious Constantine was a Pharisee and devoted to Mithra, for example. The Catholic church is rampant with all kinds of idolatry and such. I just want to be aware of what Jesus said in Matt 24. I put my trust in Jesus Christ and keep watch for his return. I don't want anyone to be deceived. That's why we Test all things and Hold Fast that which is good.
God Bless you and Good Night
 

JaumeJ

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Because the letter, VAV, is used in our Father's name,, my pronunciation for yod hay vav hay is yahvay or Yahveh, depending upon the individual's transliteration.
 
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#93
Throughout the Bible it is clear that GOD wants his name to be known and proclaimed.
In this day and age we can easily figure out that his name is YHWH (Pronounced Yahuah).
His name is always replaced with a Title, "the Lord". (about 6,800 times).
Can anyone explain why this has not been corrected? (IN ANY mainstream Bible).
Wouldn't it be kind of awkard to use his name I AM in every circumstance? That could give some reader the wrong idea to replace the I AM with "you are". Joel Osteen was already preaching that. His holy name indicates his nature, that he's the CREATOR of the universe, he exists by himself forever - the beginning and the end, the first and the last, the alpha and the omega. It's always translated as "Lord" to emphasize His authority over His creation.
 

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Throughout the Bible it is clear that GOD wants his name to be known and proclaimed.
In this day and age we can easily figure out that his name is YHWH (Pronounced Yahuah).
His name is always replaced with a Title, "the Lord". (about 6,800 times).
Can anyone explain why this has not been corrected? (IN ANY mainstream Bible).
Father ... always
 
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ChristianTonyB

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Throughout the Bible it is clear that GOD wants his name to be known and proclaimed.
In this day and age we can easily figure out that his name is YHWH (Pronounced Yahuah).
His name is always replaced with a Title, "the Lord". (about 6,800 times).
Can anyone explain why this has not been corrected? (IN ANY mainstream Bible).
It doesn't matter. He is more concerned about whether we are obeying Him or not.

Providing we are being reverential towards Him in whatever name we choose to refer to Him as, it is acceptable. Jesus is God. We don't refer to Him as YHWH. If my memory serves me right, He is also referred to as Christ, Lord, Immanuel, Son of Man, Son of God!
 

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Because the letter, VAV, is used in our Father's name,, my pronunciation for yod hay vav hay is yahvay or Yahveh, depending upon the individual's transliteration.
Except that there is no VAV in ancient Hebrew. The letter is WOW. The V sound came much later, with Yiddish, I think.
Judah. This name is pronounced ye-huw-dah in Hebrew. (I think Ya-Hu-Dah is really closer)
It's meaning is something like "Let God be praised".
There are more examples of God's name being imbedded in other names and words that indicate meaning as pertaining to god.
Ancient Hebrew scripture is YHWH. Strong's in incorrect.
 

JeffA

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It doesn't matter. He is more concerned about whether we are obeying Him or not.

Providing we are being reverential towards Him in whatever name we choose to refer to Him as, it is acceptable. Jesus is God. We don't refer to Him as YHWH. If my memory serves me right, He is also referred to as Christ, Lord, Immanuel, Son of Man, Son of God!
I never once advocated in this thread that anyone refer to God the Father as YHWH.
I do disagree with you statement that "It doesn't matter". Why would God insist throughout scripture that his NAME be known?
See Ex3 and use "YHWH" instead of "the Lord".
BTW when Jesus did not pray to himself.
 

JaumeJ

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Except that there is no VAV in ancient Hebrew. The letter is WOW. The V sound came much later, with Yiddish, I think.
Judah. This name is pronounced ye-huw-dah in Hebrew. (I think Ya-Hu-Dah is really closer)
It's meaning is something like "Let God be praised".
There are more examples of God's name being imbedded in other names and words that indicate meaning as pertaining to god.
Ancient Hebrew scripture is YHWH. Strong's in incorrect.
The Letter Vav (ו) In the Hebrew Alphabet
The letter Vav is the sixth letter in the Hebrew alphabet. Through the ancient Phoenician language, the letter Vav actually became the modern letter “F” used in the English and Latin alphabets. Unlike many other letters in the Hebrew alphabet, the original meaning of the letter Vav actually seems quite obvious and straightforward. The word “vav” means a “hook,” “spear,” or “tent peg” in Hebrew, therefore the name and shape of the letter are directly connected to this meaning. The Hebrew letter Vav itself has a very interesting pronunciation history and a variety of different uses and meanings.

Most scholars agree that the ancient pronunciation of the letter was more like a “W” and less like the “V” that it currently has in the Modern Hebrew language. This assertion has a lot of support if we simply look around at modern use in other Semitic languages. In Arabic, for example, only the “W” sound exists, and the “V” sound does not exist. Among certain Jewish pronunciations, the original still holds true, as Yemenite Jews to this day pronounce the Vav as a “W” in specific cases. When Hebrew is written with pronunciation markings (nikud), a Vav without any markings is pronounced like the “V” in “very,” a Vav with a dot in the middle is pronounced “oo,” as in “fool,” and a Vav with a dot on top is pronounced “o,” as in “go.”

Not the stipulation that "most scholars" agree.
A"s per Yiddish, this stems from German Jews speaking in "Their own form of German. It is frowned upon being usesed in Is4rael. At least it was when I lived theree.
 
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Oblio

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Yeah. Of course! Though He's never told me what to call Him. He's always left that up to me.
And what the word says His name is...even though it's not there!?!
 
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"I AM that I AM"

Yahweh means "I am"

THE LORD in KJV is just a respectful title use in lieu.

"Moses" is actually a royal suffix title that means "servant of..." or "one who represents [a god's name]" in Egypt. A follower of Ra (the sun god) would have the title/name Ramoses. Moses intentionally had no god's name before the suffix to show that he is the servant of the (nameless? unnamed?) God, I AM (Yahweh). The fact that Moses' name doesn't have a god-name prefix says a lot.

If I understand this correctly, Revelation actually states that no one knows the name:

"His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself" - Revelation 19:12 KJV