Any Post or Non-Tribbers in Here?

I'm assuming that it's going to be a ridiculous response if I do ask, so I'm going to pass.

Believe me, my grief level (as in mourning for those who refuse to see the truth) is pretty much through the roof on this thread already.

Yep, people will believe what they want and do the twister dance - all day long

Why does it say we will be raptured to meet the Lord in the air? While the return event is only mentioning the return of Christ and His army?

Then why is the twinkling of eye event a mystery while the 2nd coming going to be obvious?

We're all wrong and your right is that how it often is?

Yeah, with all of the "scriptural gymnastics" that I've seen employed here, it's a wonder that no one has thrown out their back, or twisted a knee, or something...

What if the Scripture is True and God decides to throw the large Hail stone killing both the unbeliever and the believer?

Did they both die in His wrath?
or
Scripture is True and God, in His Unsearchable Knowledge, decided that it was both their appointments to die at the same time and in the same manner.
Hebrews 9: 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
and
"There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom." Luke ch16

Is there not an expiration date on these vessels of flesh that we are temporarily residing in?
Does not God decide when, where and how HE takes us Home - via death?
When a believer dies in a horrible accident - was God angry, wrathful or just taking His Son/Daughter Home?

God's Wrath falls after the Rapture, which is why all those 5 Virgins who tarried ae now in the situation they shouldn't have been in. 1.) they will die via God's Wrath (wrong place wrong time) if they are in the Asteroids path, or if they are in the New World, where all the trees burn. 2.) They will doe by the Anti-Christs hands, neither is God's fault, He offered an escape route, many people tarried.

They should open a category for Scriptural Gymastics and Contortions in the Olympics as we have some Gold Medal Athletes here.

I've already told you and others here, at least three times, and beginning with my first response here, that the things that I'm sharing here came about AFTER I WAS THOROUGHLY REBUKED BY THE LORD HIMSELF more than 30 years ago.

The only difference between me and some of you thus far is that I renounced the SATANICALLY-INSPIRED HERESY that I was once duped into believing, and several of you are still clinging to the same.

His Coming is His Return - everytime it is spoken/written in scripture beyond since HE ascended = Acts 1:9-11

Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

Twinkling of an eye only pertains to the transformation of the resurrected mortal bodies into immortal glorified bodies, includes those alive .

I'm tempted to laugh, but we should actually mourn.

If nothing else, seeing how there are several different points of view being offered here, everyone should at least be willing to acknowledge that there's simply no way that everyone can be right.

At best, one view is correct.

At worst, all views are incorrect.

Anyhow, if you ask me, then the underlying problem here and plenty of other places is that most people genuinely have no fear of God whatsoever.

I mean, whoever is incorrect is LITERALLY misrepresenting God and his word.

Personally, I wouldn't want to stand (bow) before him one day and have to give an account for that.

It's a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Now watch as someone comes behind me and says that this is just a minor disagreement amongst brethren.

It isn't.

Again, some here are properly representing God and his word, and some are LITERALLY being used as tools of Satan in order to propagate his LIES.

Anyhow, having been THOROUGHLY REBUKED BY THE LORD HIMSELF in the past in relation to this matter, I'm beyond confident that I'm presently on the right side...and I've offered plenty of rightly-divided scriptures to document the same.

Many have claimed to be direct mouth pieces from God but scripture also gives us instruction how to test these peoples claims. We test it using the Word. The Word is our best source because you are also told to test the spirits meaning more than one spiritual entity can influence you.

Careful....

Not so much that I see eschatology worth dividing over or that having a wrong stance could lose someone salvation but careful as in if you act like a zealot with no grace then it can hurt the most important message related to salvation.

What people do with Jesis Christ as Lord AND Savior.

Exactly. The rapture is not Christ coming down but believers being brought up to Christ. This is the mystery as scripture speaks.



The 2nd coming is a literal coming down to do battle. We know when this will occur because we have a very fine tuned timeline of events and time when this will occur after the Great Trib.

I tried to communicate with many the dire consequences of their actions in violating scripture.
Religion blind people so they are not able to see past the doctrines they cling to in light of scripture - fear.

There is a path we all must take when seeking the Truth in the Word.

Deuteronomy 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

Very few adjust submit their hearts unto this.

It acends the same time as the New Heaven and New Earth. We will have resurrected glorified bodies like Jesus had after resurrection. We will be on the new Earth.

consider this part

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we then caused this

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.

…The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 17, 20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

yes sister the point is David’s throne is only an earthly pattern or figure of christs throne in heaven. It’s prophetic all Of David’s writings are

“I have set the LORD always before me: Because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved. Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: My flesh also shall rest in hope. For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; Neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Thou wilt shew me the path of life: In thy presence is fulness of joy; At thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭16:8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, Upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself. So will not we go back from thee: Quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭80:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

ect this world and everything in it has this destiny the lower heaven and this earth

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ is offering us a new world Not corrupt or doomed to destruction

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13

in the end of this world his throne I heaven the whole city he rules will come to a new and clean fresh earth fulfilling what the scripture foretells of a new creation

thiamine has to be done first , he’s currently saving people out of this world to inhabit the new world , for. If we’re taken into heaven when all is done heaven and earth will be one again , that is to say what’s already established in heaven where believers go after we pass away , is going to return to a new earth and Gods plan of creation will become reality heaven and earth as one creation rather than the split between heaven and earth we now know

Anyways I can only express what I believe not claiming it’s always the right thing for mother’s to believe

loved your posts !!! And thanks for taking the time to share them

Hi PilgrimsHope,

Good comments there and thank you for your kind words of encouragement.

Now I would like you to consider this point you brought up -

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yes children of men will inhabit the earth, (Rev. 21: 24) however, we, the Body of Christ are now `sons of God.` (Heb. 2: 10) Because we have the very life and nature of Christ within, and then when we receive our glorified body we will be able to live in the realms above. May these scriptures encourage you to our wonderful inheritance in Christ.

Our inheritance, our hope, our place, our citizenship, all of which are IN HEAVEN.

`...to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.` (1 Peter 1: 4 )

` ...because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of truth..`(Col. 1: 5)

` ...and raised us up together and made to sit in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.`(Eph. 2: 6)

` For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly await for the saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.` (Phil. 3: 20)

regards, Marilyn.

amen

“Our inheritance, our hope, our place, our citizenship, all of which are IN HEAVEN.”

yes what I’m saying is this part , our inheritance in heaven is never returning to this present earth

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7‬ ‭

The earth we look and see now is reserved for fore and jidgement of the ungodly ( it’s going to become the lake of fire ) when that happens what is presently in heaven oncluding Gods people who overcome , is going to come to a new earth renewed by that fire

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

(Once this earth expires those in heaven including God are coming together for eternal life )

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-5‬ ‭

there are two earths one that is doomed upon christs return , and another set for mans inheritance together with God like it was in the beginning when God and men dwelt together upon earth.

the lord is going to return and destroy this earth and make a new one renewed or restored tonthe original creation worthy of God himself dwelling with us

Heaven is receiving Jesus and those of his body now until the restoration

“and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is a consistent doctrine even from Isaiah

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:

and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them. They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭48:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬




That is eventually going to be fulfilled in our sight

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:

for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This creation we see now is going to be removed And the promises will come forth the created things we. Ow see are going to crumble away and never be remembered

“And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:27-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬


we’re going from this earth into the heavenly kingdom , and when the time is fulfilled the heavenly kingdom is coming to a new earth that will never be corrupted like this one is

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭


I think we are in agreement sister just saying things differently. Yes our inheritance is in heaven but it’s going to be part of a restored world where heaven meets earth again

amen

“Our inheritance, our hope, our place, our citizenship, all of which are IN HEAVEN.”

I see it slightly different. God`s great kingdom is all He created. And in every realm He is restoring rulership. We, the Body of Christ will reign with Christ on His throne in the highest. The other realms have rulership under Christ too.

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