Any Post or Non-Tribbers in Here?

[Pilgrimshope]

Hi Pilgrimshope,

So glad we agree that we will be where Jesus is ruling from.

Good scripture there. Notice that there is Mount Zion AND the city. Mount Zion on earth was where king David ruled from and the city was further down. Then in the third heaven Mount Zion is where the King rules over all and we are with Him.

The city , however (the other part of the heavenly Jerusalem) comes down out of heaven FROM God.

You see there are TWO parts to the heavenly Jerusalem - Mount Zion AND the city.

1. Mount Zion - the King`s seat of power and those who rule with Him.
2. The City - which comes down and near the earth with those who rule there.

yes amen ! the kings throne David’s throne , is currently in heaven and Christ is seated upon it with those who have gone through the world and passed from tbier flesh where they are before his throne in the city of God.

“Therefore ( David ) being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:30, 32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Mount Zion is the heavenly mount where the city of God is

“Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

….But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“but ye are come unto mount Zion . and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Live4Him2]

Here is something to think about: why would God unfairly impose His own peculiar once for all time devastating wrath upon a peculiar tragically unfortunate generation of Christians?

He doesn't.

God is perfectly able to make a distinction between his people and the wicked while pouring out his judgments, even as he did in relation to the Israelites and the Egyptians in the time of Pharaoh leading up to the exodus.

Now, let's look at your question from a different angle:

Why would God unfairly rescue saints from tribulation with this alleged fortunate generation of Christians who will allegedly be raptured prior to the tribulation when his people have been suffering tribulation since the time of Abel?

Of course, he won't because the pre-tribulation rapture hoax isn't taught anywhere in the Bible.

 

[Live4Him2]

Ask him who the "falling away" is, as mentioned in 2 Thess ch2

There's no need to.

I already explained that in another post just a little while ago.

 

[DavidTree]

mmmm Did you realise there is NO marriage in heaven? (Luke 20: 35)

But there is a Marriage that is made in Heaven = figure that out according to the Word.

 

[DavidTree]

There's no need to.

I already explained that in another post just a little while ago.

post # ?

 

[Marilyn]

yes amen ! the kings throne David’s throne , is currently in heaven and Christ is seated upon it with those who have gone through the world and passed from tbier flesh where they are before his throne in the city of God.

“Therefore ( David ) being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:30, 32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Mount Zion is the heavenly mount where the city of God is

“Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

….But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“but ye are come unto mount Zion . and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Hi Pilgrimshope,

Good talking to you. Not many know or realise about the scripture you have posted, (Heb. 12: 22 & 23) So I appreciate talking about it.

Now we know that the Lord has the throne of David, however that is over an earthly throne, (authority). The Lord`s seat of power and authority in the third heaven is His OWN THRONE.

`To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on MY THRONE, as I also overcame and sat down with my Father on HIS THRONE. `(Rev. 3: 21)

Did you know that -

The Lord Jesus Christ is King over many realms.



King of Glory. (Ps. 24: 7)

King of heaven. (Dan. 4: 37)

King of the Ages. (1 Tim. 1: 17)

King of Righteousness. (Heb. 7: 1 – 3)

King of Israel. (John 1 : 49)

King of the Jews. (Matt. 2: 2)

King of the Nations. (Rev. 15: 3)



And finally King of Kings..... (Rev. 19: 16)

 

[Live4Him2]

post # ?

It was a long post, so I had to break it down into two posts (#290 and #292).

You "liked" one of them (#290).

lol...didn't you read it?

 

[Marilyn]

But there is a Marriage that is made in Heaven = figure that out according to the Word.

But not for the NEW MAN the Body of the Lord, the HEAD.

 

[DavidTree]

But not for the NEW MAN the Body of the Lord, the HEAD.

God is not ambivalent but HE did purpose 'polar opposite' dialogue that combines the two into = One New Man

 

[Marilyn]

He doesn't.

God is perfectly able to make a distinction between his people and the wicked while pouring out his judgments, even as he did in relation to the Israelites and the Egyptians in the time of Pharaoh leading up to the exodus.

Now, let's look at your question from a different angle:

Why would God unfairly rescue saints from tribulation with this alleged fortunate generation of Christians who will allegedly be raptured prior to the tribulation when his people have been suffering tribulation since the time of Abel?

Of course, he won't because the pre-tribulation rapture hoax isn't taught anywhere in the Bible.

Hi Live4Him2,

I hope you will consider some things I put forward.

When the Father sends Jesus to get His mature Body, He takes them to His own throne in the highest. (Acts 3: 20 & 21, Rev. 3: 21) From there they will judge fallen angels and the world system. (1 Cor. 6: 2 & 3)

Thus we see that the Body of Christ, the heavenly court need to be with the Lord in the highest for those judgments. The prophet Daniel had an awesome vision of that court room scene. (Dan. 7: 9 & 10, 26)

 

[Marilyn]

God is not ambivalent but HE did purpose 'polar opposite' dialogue that combines the two into = One New Man

I agree that the male and female natures will be the NEW MAN. I do not agree that we will just be female.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Hi Pilgrimshope,

Good talking to you. Not many know or realise about the scripture you have posted, (Heb. 12: 22 & 23) So I appreciate talking about it.

Now we know that the Lord has the throne of David, however that is over an earthly throne, (authority). The Lord`s seat of power and authority in the third heaven is His OWN THRONE.

`To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on MY THRONE, as I also overcame and sat down with my Father on HIS THRONE. `(Rev. 3: 21)

Did you know that -

The Lord Jesus Christ is King over many realms.



King of Glory. (Ps. 24: 7)

King of heaven. (Dan. 4: 37)

King of the Ages. (1 Tim. 1: 17)

King of Righteousness. (Heb. 7: 1 – 3)

King of Israel. (John 1 : 49)

King of the Jews. (Matt. 2: 2)

King of the Nations. (Rev. 15: 3)



And finally King of Kings..... (Rev. 19: 16)

consider this part

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we then caused this

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.

…The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 17, 20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

yes sister the point is David’s throne is only an earthly pattern or figure of christs throne in heaven. It’s prophetic all Of David’s writings are

“I have set the LORD always before me: Because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved. Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: My flesh also shall rest in hope. For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; Neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Thou wilt shew me the path of life: In thy presence is fulness of joy; At thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭16:8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, Upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself. So will not we go back from thee: Quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭80:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

ect this world and everything in it has this destiny the lower heaven and this earth

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ is offering us a new world Not corrupt or doomed to destruction

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13

in the end of this world his throne I heaven the whole city he rules will come to a new and clean fresh earth fulfilling what the scripture foretells of a new creation

thiamine has to be done first , he’s currently saving people out of this world to inhabit the new world , for. If we’re taken into heaven when all is done heaven and earth will be one again , that is to say what’s already established in heaven where believers go after we pass away , is going to return to a new earth and Gods plan of creation will become reality heaven and earth as one creation rather than the split between heaven and earth we now know

Anyways I can only express what I believe not claiming it’s always the right thing for mother’s to believe

loved your posts !!! And thanks for taking the time to share them

 

[Runningman]

Hello Lori
I am a staunch, (as in nonnegotiable ) pretrib premillenniallist. I think the rapture is one of the most solid biblical doctrines there is in all of the Bible.

Here is something to think about: why would God unfairly impose His own peculiar once for all time devastating wrath upon a peculiar tragically unfortunate generation of Christians?

Hint: He does not. On the contrary there, can be no doubt that God's (Biblically supported) mandate is to DELIVER His people FROM His wrath.

Post-trib theories fall on their face every single time. Which of course is to be expected!

Will you negotiate with the Bible?

 

[Runningman]

Pre-tribber, here. = )

Just poppin in here for a minute to say, welcome to CC (and... just to let you know, you're not alone. lol)

I, too, have not found any arguments opposing "pre-trib" to hold water... (and that's based on over 45 years of studying the Subject and many discussions with numerous other viewpoints, none of which have presented anything convincing so as to persuade me to view it otherwise... tho, like you say of yourself, I too have been willing to be convinced otherwise, if scriptural evidence leads there... it's just that no argument has been presented that is persuasive to those ends ).




I realize your OP is seeking a different direction, so I will bow out and let y'all carry on. Just wanted to say hey. = )

Mark 13:24-27 KJV
24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

From Earth to Heaven.

 

[DavidTree]

I agree that the male and female natures will be the NEW MAN. I do not agree that we will just be female.

It was a long post, so I had to break it down into two posts (#290 and #292).

You "liked" one of them (#290).

lol...didn't you read it?

I read so much that i get lost = what was my name again??? lol

 

[DavidTree]

It was a long post, so I had to break it down into two posts (#290 and #292).

You "liked" one of them (#290).

lol...didn't you read it?

yes, i read your posts - good stuff
just ask him who the "falling away" is in 2 Thess ch2

 

[Live4Him2]

yes, i read your posts - good stuff
just ask him who the "falling away" is in 2 Thess ch2

I'm assuming that it's going to be a ridiculous response if I do ask, so I'm going to pass.

Believe me, my grief level (as in mourning for those who refuse to see the truth) is pretty much through the roof on this thread already.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

How and where do you come up with "the rapture is not the Second Coming?

We just read together that at Christ's Coming we will be gathered together unto Him = 2 Thess 2:1-3

Paul wrote 2 Thess 2:1-3 because people were saying they missed His Coming and the rapture.

Paul previously wrote this in 1 Thess 4:13-18

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
After that we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.

So the Apostle Paul states in both of his Letters to the Thessalonica church that at Christ's Coming HE will rapture those who are alive at His Coming.

How then do you say this is not the Second Coming of Christ?

Why does it say we will be raptured to meet the Lord in the air? While the return event is only mentioning the return of Christ and His army?

Then why is the twinkling of eye event a mystery while the 2nd coming going to be obvious?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Hi RS,

Notice that the city comes DOWN out of heaven FROM God. God dwells with His people there by His Spirit, as He is SPIRIT.

It acends the same time as the New Heaven and New Earth. We will have resurrected glorified bodies like Jesus had after resurrection. We will be on the new Earth.

 

[DavidTree]

I'm assuming that it's going to be a ridiculous response if I do ask, so I'm going to pass.

Believe me, my grief level (as in mourning for those who refuse to see the truth) is pretty much through the roof on this thread already.

Yep, people will believe what they want and do the twister dance - all day long