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His Coming is His Return - everytime it is spoken/written in scripture beyond since HE ascended = Acts 1:9-11
Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
Twinkling of an eye only pertains to the transformation of the resurrected mortal bodies into immortal glorified bodies, includes those alive .
Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
Twinkling of an eye only pertains to the transformation of the resurrected mortal bodies into immortal glorified bodies, includes those alive .
L
I've already told you and others here, at least three times, and beginning with my first response here, that the things that I'm sharing here came about AFTER I WAS THOROUGHLY REBUKED BY THE LORD HIMSELF more than 30 years ago.
The only difference between me and some of you thus far is that I renounced the SATANICALLY-INSPIRED HERESY that I was once duped into believing, and several of you are still clinging to the same.
The only difference between me and some of you thus far is that I renounced the SATANICALLY-INSPIRED HERESY that I was once duped into believing, and several of you are still clinging to the same.
God's Wrath falls after the Rapture, which is why all those 5 Virgins who tarried ae now in the situation they shouldn't have been in. 1.) they will die via God's Wrath (wrong place wrong time) if they are in the Asteroids path, or if they are in the New World, where all the trees burn. 2.) They will doe by the Anti-Christs hands, neither is God's fault, He offered an escape route, many people tarried.
Can you do us a gracious blessing and put together from the scriptures, in an easy format, that shows the Lord and/or the Apostles
declaring that:
a.) Saints will be 'left behind' after the rapture at His Second Coming
and
b.) then Christ will return a 3rd time to resurrect the dead in Him.
Thank you
declaring that:
a.) Saints will be 'left behind' after the rapture at His Second Coming
and
b.) then Christ will return a 3rd time to resurrect the dead in Him.
Thank you
L
I'm tempted to laugh, but we should actually mourn.
If nothing else, seeing how there are several different points of view being offered here, everyone should at least be willing to acknowledge that there's simply no way that everyone can be right.
At best, one view is correct.
At worst, all views are incorrect.
Anyhow, if you ask me, then the underlying problem here and plenty of other places is that most people genuinely have no fear of God whatsoever.
I mean, whoever is incorrect is LITERALLY misrepresenting God and his word.
Personally, I wouldn't want to stand (bow) before him one day and have to give an account for that.
It's a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Now watch as someone comes behind me and says that this is just a minor disagreement amongst brethren.
It isn't.
Again, some here are properly representing God and his word, and some are LITERALLY being used as tools of Satan in order to propagate his LIES.
Anyhow, having been THOROUGHLY REBUKED BY THE LORD HIMSELF in the past in relation to this matter, I'm beyond confident that I'm presently on the right side...and I've offered plenty of rightly-divided scriptures to document the same.
If nothing else, seeing how there are several different points of view being offered here, everyone should at least be willing to acknowledge that there's simply no way that everyone can be right.
At best, one view is correct.
At worst, all views are incorrect.
Anyhow, if you ask me, then the underlying problem here and plenty of other places is that most people genuinely have no fear of God whatsoever.
I mean, whoever is incorrect is LITERALLY misrepresenting God and his word.
Personally, I wouldn't want to stand (bow) before him one day and have to give an account for that.
It's a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Now watch as someone comes behind me and says that this is just a minor disagreement amongst brethren.
It isn't.
Again, some here are properly representing God and his word, and some are LITERALLY being used as tools of Satan in order to propagate his LIES.
Anyhow, having been THOROUGHLY REBUKED BY THE LORD HIMSELF in the past in relation to this matter, I'm beyond confident that I'm presently on the right side...and I've offered plenty of rightly-divided scriptures to document the same.
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Many have claimed to be direct mouth pieces from God but scripture also gives us instruction how to test these peoples claims. We test it using the Word. The Word is our best source because you are also told to test the spirits meaning more than one spiritual entity can influence you.
Careful....
Not so much that I see eschatology worth dividing over or that having a wrong stance could lose someone salvation but careful as in if you act like a zealot with no grace then it can hurt the most important message related to salvation.
What people do with Jesis Christ as Lord AND Savior.
Careful....
Not so much that I see eschatology worth dividing over or that having a wrong stance could lose someone salvation but careful as in if you act like a zealot with no grace then it can hurt the most important message related to salvation.
What people do with Jesis Christ as Lord AND Savior.
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Exactly. The rapture is not Christ coming down but believers being brought up to Christ. This is the mystery as scripture speaks.
The 2nd coming is a literal coming down to do battle. We know when this will occur because we have a very fine tuned timeline of events and time when this will occur after the Great Trib.
The 2nd coming is a literal coming down to do battle. We know when this will occur because we have a very fine tuned timeline of events and time when this will occur after the Great Trib.
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I tried to communicate with many the dire consequences of their actions in violating scripture.
Religion blind people so they are not able to see past the doctrines they cling to in light of scripture - fear.
There is a path we all must take when seeking the Truth in the Word.
Deuteronomy 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19
Very few adjust submit their hearts unto this.
Religion blind people so they are not able to see past the doctrines they cling to in light of scripture - fear.
There is a path we all must take when seeking the Truth in the Word.
Deuteronomy 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19
Very few adjust submit their hearts unto this.
L
"A zealot with no grace"?
Give it a rest.
Here's one Biblical definition of true grace:
Hebrews chapter 12
[28] Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
[29] For our God is a consuming fire.
I'll tell you plainly, and with no malice towards you whatsoever, but rather genuine concern, that you are NOT serving God acceptably here on this thread.
Instead, you are propagating SATANICALLY-INSPIRED LIES.
Does this mean that I'm saying that you're totally ungodly?
Not at all.
Even Peter was misled by Satan when the Lord rebuked him, and that was after he received Divine revelation in relation to who Jesus is from the Father in heaven.
Anyhow, here's my genuine advice for you:
Move away from your keyboard, and get on your knees before God, and ASK HIM if you're presently in great error in relation to this topic.
After all, he's the one that you're going to have to answer to one day, and he is "a consuming fire".
Incidentally, I take my own advice DAILY.
Furthermore, whereas you keep trying to insinuate that I think that I'm some perfect know-it-all, both God and I are perfectly aware of this following fact:
If I'm good or skilled at anything in this life, then it's REPENTING AT THE LORD'S REBUKE.
God chastens the son he loves, and scourges the son he receives (Heb. 12:6).
With such in mind, I can tell you of a surety that God loves me greatly BECAUSE HE'S BEATEN THE DEVIL OUT ME FOR THE LAST 33+ YEARS...and I'm thankful that he has.
Give it a rest.
Here's one Biblical definition of true grace:
Hebrews chapter 12
[28] Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
[29] For our God is a consuming fire.
I'll tell you plainly, and with no malice towards you whatsoever, but rather genuine concern, that you are NOT serving God acceptably here on this thread.
Instead, you are propagating SATANICALLY-INSPIRED LIES.
Does this mean that I'm saying that you're totally ungodly?
Not at all.
Even Peter was misled by Satan when the Lord rebuked him, and that was after he received Divine revelation in relation to who Jesus is from the Father in heaven.
Anyhow, here's my genuine advice for you:
Move away from your keyboard, and get on your knees before God, and ASK HIM if you're presently in great error in relation to this topic.
After all, he's the one that you're going to have to answer to one day, and he is "a consuming fire".
Incidentally, I take my own advice DAILY.
Furthermore, whereas you keep trying to insinuate that I think that I'm some perfect know-it-all, both God and I are perfectly aware of this following fact:
If I'm good or skilled at anything in this life, then it's REPENTING AT THE LORD'S REBUKE.
God chastens the son he loves, and scourges the son he receives (Heb. 12:6).
With such in mind, I can tell you of a surety that God loves me greatly BECAUSE HE'S BEATEN THE DEVIL OUT ME FOR THE LAST 33+ YEARS...and I'm thankful that he has.
His Second Coming incorporates many aspects of Prophecy that HE will perform, under His Authority = at His Coming.
It is CLEAR to both yourself and myself, that the Scripture cannot lie and therefore we must accept what is written without arguing against it or denying the Truth.
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
After that, we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Not denying the word of our Lord, it is clear that the LORD, Himself, will descend from heaven here in 1 Thess 4:13-18
It is CLEAR to both yourself and myself, that the Scripture cannot lie and therefore we must accept what is written without arguing against it or denying the Truth.
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
After that, we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Not denying the word of our Lord, it is clear that the LORD, Himself, will descend from heaven here in 1 Thess 4:13-18
L
In the world of sports, it's been said that "The best defense is a good offense", and that's pretty much the mindset that I have here.
In other words, instead of wading through posts loaded with all sorts of error while attempting to refute each error one by one, it's oftentimes better (and more time effective) to just put forth the truth on your own, come what may.
Anyhow, I think that I've had more than enough of this particular thread for one day.
Have a good night.
In other words, instead of wading through posts loaded with all sorts of error while attempting to refute each error one by one, it's oftentimes better (and more time effective) to just put forth the truth on your own, come what may.
Anyhow, I think that I've had more than enough of this particular thread for one day.
Have a good night.
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Hi PilgrimsHope,
Good comments there and thank you for your kind words of encouragement.
Now I would like you to consider this point you brought up -
“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
Psalm 115:16 KJV
Yes children of men will inhabit the earth, (Rev. 21: 24) however, we, the Body of Christ are now `sons of God.` (Heb. 2: 10) Because we have the very life and nature of Christ within, and then when we receive our glorified body we will be able to live in the realms above. May these scriptures encourage you to our wonderful inheritance in Christ.
Our inheritance, our hope, our place, our citizenship, all of which are IN HEAVEN.
`...to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.` (1 Peter 1: 4 )
` ...because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of truth..`(Col. 1: 5)
` ...and raised us up together and made to sit in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.`(Eph. 2: 6)
` For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly await for the saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.` (Phil. 3: 20)
regards, Marilyn.
Good comments there and thank you for your kind words of encouragement.
Now I would like you to consider this point you brought up -
“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
Psalm 115:16 KJV
Yes children of men will inhabit the earth, (Rev. 21: 24) however, we, the Body of Christ are now `sons of God.` (Heb. 2: 10) Because we have the very life and nature of Christ within, and then when we receive our glorified body we will be able to live in the realms above. May these scriptures encourage you to our wonderful inheritance in Christ.
Our inheritance, our hope, our place, our citizenship, all of which are IN HEAVEN.
`...to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.` (1 Peter 1: 4 )
` ...because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of truth..`(Col. 1: 5)
` ...and raised us up together and made to sit in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.`(Eph. 2: 6)
` For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly await for the saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.` (Phil. 3: 20)
regards, Marilyn.
amen
“Our inheritance, our hope, our place, our citizenship, all of which are IN HEAVEN.”
yes what I’m saying is this part , our inheritance in heaven is never returning to this present earth
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
2 Peter 3:7
The earth we look and see now is reserved for fore and jidgement of the ungodly ( it’s going to become the lake of fire ) when that happens what is presently in heaven oncluding Gods people who overcome , is going to come to a new earth renewed by that fire
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
(Once this earth expires those in heaven including God are coming together for eternal life )
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
Revelation 21:1-5
there are two earths one that is doomed upon christs return , and another set for mans inheritance together with God like it was in the beginning when God and men dwelt together upon earth.
the lord is going to return and destroy this earth and make a new one renewed or restored tonthe original creation worthy of God himself dwelling with us
Heaven is receiving Jesus and those of his body now until the restoration
“and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
Acts 3:20-21 KJV
this is a consistent doctrine even from Isaiah
“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
Isaiah 65:17 KJV
“Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them. They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.”
Isaiah 48:6-7 KJV
That is eventually going to be fulfilled in our sight
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
Revelation 21:1 KJV
This creation we see now is going to be removed And the promises will come forth the created things we. Ow see are going to crumble away and never be remembered
“And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:”
Hebrews 12:27-28 KJV
we’re going from this earth into the heavenly kingdom , and when the time is fulfilled the heavenly kingdom is coming to a new earth that will never be corrupted like this one is
“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:13
I think we are in agreement sister just saying things differently. Yes our inheritance is in heaven but it’s going to be part of a restored world where heaven meets earth again
“Our inheritance, our hope, our place, our citizenship, all of which are IN HEAVEN.”
yes what I’m saying is this part , our inheritance in heaven is never returning to this present earth
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
2 Peter 3:7
The earth we look and see now is reserved for fore and jidgement of the ungodly ( it’s going to become the lake of fire ) when that happens what is presently in heaven oncluding Gods people who overcome , is going to come to a new earth renewed by that fire
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
(Once this earth expires those in heaven including God are coming together for eternal life )
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
Revelation 21:1-5
there are two earths one that is doomed upon christs return , and another set for mans inheritance together with God like it was in the beginning when God and men dwelt together upon earth.
the lord is going to return and destroy this earth and make a new one renewed or restored tonthe original creation worthy of God himself dwelling with us
Heaven is receiving Jesus and those of his body now until the restoration
“and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
Acts 3:20-21 KJV
this is a consistent doctrine even from Isaiah
“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
Isaiah 65:17 KJV
“Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them. They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.”
Isaiah 48:6-7 KJV
That is eventually going to be fulfilled in our sight
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
Revelation 21:1 KJV
This creation we see now is going to be removed And the promises will come forth the created things we. Ow see are going to crumble away and never be remembered
“And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:”
Hebrews 12:27-28 KJV
we’re going from this earth into the heavenly kingdom , and when the time is fulfilled the heavenly kingdom is coming to a new earth that will never be corrupted like this one is
“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:13
I think we are in agreement sister just saying things differently. Yes our inheritance is in heaven but it’s going to be part of a restored world where heaven meets earth again
“and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”
Revelation 1:5-6 KJV
well we all See things a little different but agree for sure in Jesus and the gospel !!
who are these folks do you reckon in heaven first seemingly serving in the temple as preists ?
“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
…And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters:
and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
Revelation 7:9-10, 14-17 KJV
and then later come down for heaven to
Inhabit the new earth ?
“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
Revelation 21:2-5 KJV
who would you say this group from all nations is ?
Revelation 1:5-6 KJV
well we all See things a little different but agree for sure in Jesus and the gospel !!
who are these folks do you reckon in heaven first seemingly serving in the temple as preists ?
“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
…And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters:
and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
Revelation 7:9-10, 14-17 KJV
and then later come down for heaven to
Inhabit the new earth ?
“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
Revelation 21:2-5 KJV
who would you say this group from all nations is ?