Is Paul or Jesus your main guide?

“Jesus's teaching in the gospels always comes first”

amen totally agree

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.

My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:19-21‬ ‭

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:27-30‬ ‭

Luke 2
29“Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,

you may now dismiss d your servant in peace.

30For my eyes have seen your salvation,

31which you have prepared in the sight of all nations:

32a light for revelation to the Gentiles,

and the glory of your people Israel.”

Just because the salvation for Gentiles was a revelation to them that only the well read in the scriptures understood did not mean that Jesus preached another Gospel only to Jews. He made it very clear from the beginning of his ministry that the Jews were in such a bad place spiritually that His ministry would be like Elijah and Elisha ministering miracles among the gentiles.

Just because some of your DTS scholars dreamed up hyperdispensationalism because they did not comprehend that Jesus was preaching to the gentiles all along doesn't make them correct.

Luke 4:
oseph’s son?” they asked.

23Jesus said to them, “Surely you will quote this proverb to me: ‘Physician, heal yourself!’ And you will tell me, ‘Do here in your hometown what we have heard that you did in Capernaum.’ ”

24“Truly I tell you,” he continued, “no prophet is accepted in his hometown. 25I assure you that there were many widows in Israel in Elijah’s time, when the sky was shut for three and a half years and there was a severe famine throughout the land. 26Yet Elijah was not sent to any of them, but to a widow in Zarephath in the region of Sidon. 27And there were many in Israel with leprosy g in the time of Elisha the prophet, yet not one of them was cleansed—only Naaman the Syrian.”

28All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this.

Jesus's teaching in the gospels always comes first, especially Matthew.

Do you believe forgiveness of sins is conditional on you forgiving others first? Or is it solely based on what Christ did at the cross?

I love Paul, he makes me dig deep into the ways of the Lord. But for getting to the joy of living, to know the bottom line of all things, it is Christ I follow.

God didn't fail.

He gave the dummies what they wanted.

But the dummies couldn't fulfill their end of the agreement.


So the dummies needed a new agreement. Which He gave that to them as well.

But the dummies want to go back to the first agreement, that they couldn't fulfill, and somehow keep trying to work at it (and fail at) in their own understanding and strength.

The Israelites were not a mixed group, but specifically from the tribes of Jacob. Yes?

Only within a doctrine that diminishes the Christ resident within His own would an idea that the gospels are more important than the epistles be accepted. Together they complete the picture. One would not exist without the other. Christ is not a headless body, nor is the body of Christ headless. Together, in heven and in earth, the body is a complete unit in the Spirit. Paul is not Paul without Christ and Christ chose Paul and others to represent Him. Certainly Christ is the High Priest but the priests are responsible for the administration of the order.

Some folks will go a long way to divide God's people.

Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Mat 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

Listening to how Paul teaches and seeing the difference in how Christ teaches is not dividing the teaching, it is understanding the teachings.

Paul didn’t die for my sins

That is true that Paul didn’t die for our sins as Christ did, but he did die in service to the Lord, doing more to clarify and spread the gospel message than probably any other human being alive at the time, or since then. Sometimes I think, if each of us was even just a miniscule more like Paul, the world would be revolutionized. Certainly our lives would look different than they do with the cumulative effect of such reverberating throughout our communities and out into the world at large The magnitude of what Paul accomplished is truly stunning given the opposition he faced on all sides.

I myself believe without the four gospels the entirety of scripture falls apart and can’t save anyone but it’s just my own conviction

Thinking the words of Jesus are more important than Paul's is a consequence of using "Christianity" to describe the faith of the saints....But this is another thread.

I believe the Scripture are the word of God. Your postings read to me as if you you do not believe so. I do not believe there is conflict in Gods' word.

I am asking you to believe the word of God, and to belief both Christ and Paul. I am asking you to think about the difference in how they present that truth, and what that means to us.

How could this be twisted into accusing of not believing scripture? The that thought is not in what I say, where did it come from?

You are just repeating what everyone knows and says. What isn't being spoken of is the very different ways they speak of these truths, and the different truths they each emphasize.

Whete does a Paul say that forgiveness is conditional on forgiving others? Where does Paul command to take a gift and offer it to a priest after being healed?

The ministry of Jesus was specifically to the Jews concerning the covenant God made with them. Paul’s ministry was to the Gentile world who had no covenant with God. Different ministry, different teachings.

Everyone here had better say JESUS. He is the way, the truth, and the life...........

Paul was an Apostle who preached the Gospel of Jesus.

Anyone following Paul is on the wrong path. Following Paul won't get anyone to eternal life! Reading what Paul preached is good, but placing him above/in front of Jesus is downright crazy!