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amen to understand Paul’s writings we need to hear Jesus word he’s always speaking from what Jesus said like this
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
John 8:31-32, 34, 36 KJV
Paul came along to people who had heard and believed so he’s speaking from that
“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”
Romans 6:16-18 KJV
everything he wrote is based on what Jesus said because Paul is a witness of the truth of Christ , like that or this
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
Romans 8:1-2
it’s why those who reject the things Jesus said can’t make any sense of what Paul wrote it’s based on what Jesus had already said and the church already believed
he was speaking to these folks
“For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:”
Colossians 1:5-6 KJV
the gospel was already spread all around the ancient world in all the regions before Paul came along teaching them revelation of the gospel
“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”
Mark 16:19-20 KJV
he doesn’t repeat Jesus words because the Churches already had the gospel and believed the apostles Paul came along to teach based on what Jesus said . To first hear the gospel and then read Paul offers incredible benefit but to reject what Jesus said and try to be saved by what Paul wrote in a few letters leaves one in the dark because it removes the foundation of The lords words
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
John 8:31-32, 34, 36 KJV
Paul came along to people who had heard and believed so he’s speaking from that
“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”
Romans 6:16-18 KJV
everything he wrote is based on what Jesus said because Paul is a witness of the truth of Christ , like that or this
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
Romans 8:1-2
it’s why those who reject the things Jesus said can’t make any sense of what Paul wrote it’s based on what Jesus had already said and the church already believed
he was speaking to these folks
“For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:”
Colossians 1:5-6 KJV
the gospel was already spread all around the ancient world in all the regions before Paul came along teaching them revelation of the gospel
“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”
Mark 16:19-20 KJV
he doesn’t repeat Jesus words because the Churches already had the gospel and believed the apostles Paul came along to teach based on what Jesus said . To first hear the gospel and then read Paul offers incredible benefit but to reject what Jesus said and try to be saved by what Paul wrote in a few letters leaves one in the dark because it removes the foundation of The lords words
He doesn’t repeat Jesus' words because the churches already had the gospel and believed the apostles. Paul came along to teach based on what Jesus said. To first hear the gospel and then to read Paul offers incredible benefit, but to reject what Jesus said and try to be saved by what Paul wrote in a few letters leaves one in the dark, because it removes the foundation of the Lord's words.
Wow! Incredible wisdom, Pilgrimshope, and I agree completely: the above are your words copied and pasted. Amen and amen!
(But please do note that I did quite of bit of grammatical editing - commas, periods, capital letters, etc. -
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He doesn’t repeat Jesus' words because the churches already had the gospel and believed the apostles. Paul came along to teach based on what Jesus said. To first hear the gospel and then to read Paul offers incredible benefit, but to reject what Jesus said and try to be saved by what Paul wrote in a few letters leaves one in the dark, because it removes the foundation of the Lord's words.
Wow! Incredible wisdom, Pilgrimshope, and I agree completely: the above are your words copied and pasted. Amen and amen!
(But please do note that I did quite of bit of grammatical editing - commas, periods, capital letters, etc. -)
Wow! Incredible wisdom, Pilgrimshope, and I agree completely: the above are your words copied and pasted. Amen and amen!
(But please do note that I did quite of bit of grammatical editing - commas, periods, capital letters, etc. -
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You are asking me to give you a lot of bible study. The mixed crowd is in Exodus 12: 37-38 The Israelites journeyed from Rameses to Sukkoth. There were about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children. 38 Many other people went up with them, and also large droves of livestock, both flocks and herds.
In Genesis it explains what God created, there is nothing to say God created two kinds of people.
A study of all the commands given through Moses is too extensive to give here, but those commands were all of the flesh that was symbolic of the spiritual commands, like commands about food for the stomach and a command to cut flesh. If you read chapter 5 of Matthews it gives the difference in the commands of Christ and the commands of Moses.
The chapter starts by explaining Christ did not change anything His Father said, then it goes on to explain how he changed it. Christ was explaining that the true commands of the Lord were not the symbols of the spirit but the spirit of the commands. Christ said "you have been told", and he had explained that what they had been told was correct, then Christ said "but I tell you". He give five examples.
Melchizedek, Rahab, and Ruth were gentiles who accepted the one true God. All the mixed crowd that left Egypt with Moses were accepted as Israelites.
In Genesis it explains what God created, there is nothing to say God created two kinds of people.
A study of all the commands given through Moses is too extensive to give here, but those commands were all of the flesh that was symbolic of the spiritual commands, like commands about food for the stomach and a command to cut flesh. If you read chapter 5 of Matthews it gives the difference in the commands of Christ and the commands of Moses.
The chapter starts by explaining Christ did not change anything His Father said, then it goes on to explain how he changed it. Christ was explaining that the true commands of the Lord were not the symbols of the spirit but the spirit of the commands. Christ said "you have been told", and he had explained that what they had been told was correct, then Christ said "but I tell you". He give five examples.
Melchizedek, Rahab, and Ruth were gentiles who accepted the one true God. All the mixed crowd that left Egypt with Moses were accepted as Israelites.
The dichotomy (Jesus or Paul) is a non-sequitur. Christ arose after Jesus was resurrected. Today, there is no more Jesus-the-man. There is only Jesus Christ or Christ Jesus.
Paul, and others in Christ, are part of Christ. Christ continues to speak through Himself to His Body much like the natural mind directs the natural body.
Paul, and others in Christ, are part of Christ. Christ continues to speak through Himself to His Body much like the natural mind directs the natural body.
“And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.”
Acts 7:56 KJV
“Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.”
Luke 22:69
the idea is this is man has a perfect man interceding for us who is one with God , he became what we needed
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
He is God made flesh who became our intercessor mans intercessor with God is required to be a man that’s why he was born in the flesh and lived a sinless life
to first accomplish this
“Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;”
Hebrews 1:3 KJV
and even now is doing this
“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
Romans 8:34
And this advocation
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:”
1 John 2:1 KJV
He is God but God became man in order to be high priest and intercessor because there was no man worthy he became worthy
Acts 7:56 KJV
“Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.”
Luke 22:69
the idea is this is man has a perfect man interceding for us who is one with God , he became what we needed
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
He is God made flesh who became our intercessor mans intercessor with God is required to be a man that’s why he was born in the flesh and lived a sinless life
to first accomplish this
“Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;”
Hebrews 1:3 KJV
and even now is doing this
“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
Romans 8:34
And this advocation
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:”
1 John 2:1 KJV
He is God but God became man in order to be high priest and intercessor because there was no man worthy he became worthy
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“Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.”
Matthew 23:10 KJV
Who was it that preached the gospel ?
“And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
Luke 3:22 KJV
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.”
Luke 4:18-19 KJV
“Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”
2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV
who is our guide ?
“Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.”
John 10:25-30 KJV
it’s impossible to follow the spirit without hearing Jesus word and following him his words are those of the holy spirit Christ is our teacher
Matthew 23:10 KJV
Who was it that preached the gospel ?
“And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
Luke 3:22 KJV
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.”
Luke 4:18-19 KJV
“Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”
2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV
who is our guide ?
“Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.”
John 10:25-30 KJV
it’s impossible to follow the spirit without hearing Jesus word and following him his words are those of the holy spirit Christ is our teacher
Yes, only the Son of man could make intercession for man. This is the proof the God was right in His choice of heirs. This puts the powers of darkness to shame, that a man, made lower than the angels, could inherit the Kingdom of God. Now, we see Him in our rightful place, if indeed we are in Christ, making a mockery of those who oppose the house of God. This anchors our soul: that Jesus, our brother, friend, and captain, laid hold of that which was forbidden of mere men: the presence of God. And, having laid hold of it, returned to include us in Him as Christ: the life-giving Spirit. Properly and without argument, we may now be seated with Him.
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Amen
under the ot
“The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's:
but the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
Psalm 115:16 KJV
which resulted in this
“And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey:
and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:
therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak. …And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.”
Isaiah 59:14-17, 20 KJV
and after Jesus the son was born in the flesh taught judgement , was crucified and atoned for sin this became the reconciliation
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
Matthew 28:18 KJV
reconciling the two becoming also the son of man inheriting the earth that was given to man in the beginning
“The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's:
but the earth hath he given to the children of men.”( son of man)
Psalm 115:16 KJV
Amen , It was needed because we’d all gone astray and jegovah provided our intercessor making himself known on earth as he is in heaven
“Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
Psalm 2:6-12 KJV
under the ot
“The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's:
but the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
Psalm 115:16 KJV
which resulted in this
“And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey:
and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:
therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak. …And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.”
Isaiah 59:14-17, 20 KJV
and after Jesus the son was born in the flesh taught judgement , was crucified and atoned for sin this became the reconciliation
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
Matthew 28:18 KJV
reconciling the two becoming also the son of man inheriting the earth that was given to man in the beginning
“The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's:
but the earth hath he given to the children of men.”( son of man)
Psalm 115:16 KJV
Amen , It was needed because we’d all gone astray and jegovah provided our intercessor making himself known on earth as he is in heaven
“Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
Psalm 2:6-12 KJV
Some folks will go a long way to divide God's people.
Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Mat 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Mat 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
Luke 2
29“Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,
you may now dismiss d your servant in peace.
30For my eyes have seen your salvation,
31which you have prepared in the sight of all nations:
32a light for revelation to the Gentiles,
and the glory of your people Israel.”
Just because the salvation for Gentiles was a revelation to them that only the well read in the scriptures understood did not mean that Jesus preached another Gospel only to Jews. He made it very clear from the beginning of his ministry that the Jews were in such a bad place spiritually that His ministry would be like Elijah and Elisha ministering miracles among the gentiles.
Just because some of your DTS scholars dreamed up hyperdispensationalism because they did not comprehend that Jesus was preaching to the gentiles all along doesn't make them correct.
Luke 4:
oseph’s son?” they asked.
23Jesus said to them, “Surely you will quote this proverb to me: ‘Physician, heal yourself!’ And you will tell me, ‘Do here in your hometown what we have heard that you did in Capernaum.’ ”
24“Truly I tell you,” he continued, “no prophet is accepted in his hometown. 25I assure you that there were many widows in Israel in Elijah’s time, when the sky was shut for three and a half years and there was a severe famine throughout the land. 26Yet Elijah was not sent to any of them, but to a widow in Zarephath in the region of Sidon. 27And there were many in Israel with leprosy g in the time of Elisha the prophet, yet not one of them was cleansed—only Naaman the Syrian.”
28All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this.
29“Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,
you may now dismiss d your servant in peace.
30For my eyes have seen your salvation,
31which you have prepared in the sight of all nations:
32a light for revelation to the Gentiles,
and the glory of your people Israel.”
Just because the salvation for Gentiles was a revelation to them that only the well read in the scriptures understood did not mean that Jesus preached another Gospel only to Jews. He made it very clear from the beginning of his ministry that the Jews were in such a bad place spiritually that His ministry would be like Elijah and Elisha ministering miracles among the gentiles.
Just because some of your DTS scholars dreamed up hyperdispensationalism because they did not comprehend that Jesus was preaching to the gentiles all along doesn't make them correct.
Luke 4:
oseph’s son?” they asked.
23Jesus said to them, “Surely you will quote this proverb to me: ‘Physician, heal yourself!’ And you will tell me, ‘Do here in your hometown what we have heard that you did in Capernaum.’ ”
24“Truly I tell you,” he continued, “no prophet is accepted in his hometown. 25I assure you that there were many widows in Israel in Elijah’s time, when the sky was shut for three and a half years and there was a severe famine throughout the land. 26Yet Elijah was not sent to any of them, but to a widow in Zarephath in the region of Sidon. 27And there were many in Israel with leprosy g in the time of Elisha the prophet, yet not one of them was cleansed—only Naaman the Syrian.”
28All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this.
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“Jesus's teaching in the gospels always comes first”
amen totally agree
“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.
My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
Isaiah 51:4-5 KJV
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.”
Isaiah 9:6-7 KJV
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
John 3:19-21
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Matthew 11:27-30
amen totally agree
“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.
My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
Isaiah 51:4-5 KJV
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.”
Isaiah 9:6-7 KJV
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
John 3:19-21
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Matthew 11:27-30