Understanding the Trinity as a doctrine.

more information please. thanks daniel

Wife is home, pick up at post 1,096

Oh so are you SDA OR Jehovah Witness?
The Michael comment gave you away.
Jesus is GODS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON,not an angel,nor created being.

Or Mystic is that it @RizenPhoenix ?

Sorry Learner,I don't read your loooong post of copy and paste tutorials.
Just post a link,work smarter not harder!
Thank you.

1. First off, No one has ever said that but you.
2. they the eternal Godhead are three distinct personifications of One. Which Mary carried by the power of the Holy Spirit Who is God which God of the Bible is omnipresent, yet can still be near, and apart from people.
3. Again the Trinity Doctrine does not teach all One person the word of God shows us God the Father Creator of all, God the Son, who is from the Father and is God and God the Holy Spirit who is also from God and all three have distinction, Personality, Coe Equal, and all are eternal separate yet one.
4. The Father and the Son are one Because Jesus said they were " For my Father and I are One."
5. Jesus in John chapter 5:19-20 is speaking of what is known as the doctrine of Kenosis "the emptying of one's self.

Jesus who is God relied on the Holy Spirit as aman on earth and did nothing without the Father. HE was in the perfect will of GOD.

When those like you attack what you do not know because what we do know of GOD and when speaking of the eternal Godhead we must speak reverently and with humility, why?


Because I nor you can fully know all about the Eternal Godhead due to our being finite, and God is unlimited.

The concept of the Trinity is not saying we know all about God but what it does is bring clear Biblical

the distinction to God who is the Father, God who is the Son, and God who is the Holy Spirit as seen in scripture. Three COE-equal, COE- Eternal, and Three distinctions and personification of each one YET are still ONE.


That is seen in the very word of God

that is false teaching. I will let you know referring to the Holy Spirit as force is profaning the Holy Spirit. That teaching is from JW's which is a theological cult.

It is actually the soul of Jesus that died and became an offering for our sins (Isaiah 53:10).

The death of the Father and the Holy Ghost occurred only in that death can be defined as separation...

And therefore they died when they were separated from Jesus' body (in Luke 23:46).

False doctrine.

Unfortunately, you were never awaiting my answer, you were merely looking to speak.

Your conclusion is a confusion of the words. For instance:

Gen 19:24: "Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;"

Two LORD'S. Two Persons/Beings acting in harmonious concert together as Father (Heaven) and Son (earth).

One standing in earth (see Gen. 17-19).

One standing in Heaven.

Two Jehovah's...one Lord (Ephesians 4:5).

And while they are two distinct Persons, they are not two beings but One (James 2:19).

No, I truly want you to answer my question.

However, you cannot do so without either agreeing with my perspective or else condemning yourself.

Death is defined as Seperation of Body and Spirit. James 2:26
Since the Father and Holy Spirit did not take on a physical body they would not have died physically.

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n Stewart :: Who Brought Jesus Back from the Dead?

The Bible has much to say about the mode of Jesus resurrection. It testifies that the three members of the Trinity were involved in Jesus resurrection.
God The Father Raised Jesus
The Bible says that God the Father brought Jesus back from the dead.
Paul wrote.
Paul wrote to the Galatians.
By raising Jesus from the dead God the Father reversed the death sentence that was pronounced on Him and exalted Him to the Lord of glory.
Jesus Brought Himself Back From The Dead
Jesus also arose by His own power.
Speaking of His life Jesus declared.
The Holy Spirit Raised Jesus
The third Person of the Trinity was also involved in the resurrection.
Peter wrote.
God Raised Jesus
We also have statements that God raised Jesus. Peter said.
Peter said to Cornelius.
Paul wrote.
In these contexts God could refer to the Father or to the entire Trinity.
Summary
All three members of the Trinity - God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit were involved in the resurrection of Jesus. The resurrection is individually ascribed to each one of them.
" https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1350.cfm

Luke 1:15
He will be a great man for the Lord. He will never drink wine or beer. Even before he is born, he will be filled with the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:41
When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the unborn baby inside her jumped, and she was filled with the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:67
Zechariah Praises God
Then Zechariah, John’s father, was filled with the Holy Spirit and told the people a message from God:

Luke 4:1
Jesus Is Tempted by the Devil
Now filled with the Holy Spirit, Jesus returned from the Jordan River. And then the Spirit led him into the desert.

None of these people who were filled with God's Spirit burned up. So, your claim is illogical and silly.

Ephesians 5:18
Easy-to-Read Version
18 Don’t be drunk with wine, which will ruin your life, but be filled with the Spirit.

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Jesus did not burn up. which makes your claim mute.

Wow, you act like a zombi even when the truth of Scripture is pointed out to you. The Holy Spirit in Acts 13:2 speaks I (ego) which is still the hallmark that he is a person.

How do you know that the Father is a person?

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How does the Holy Spirit fare up under this criteria?

1. The Spirit teaches and reminds.

John 14:26, “the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

1 Corinthians 2:13, “We impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

2. The Spirit speaks.

Acts 8:29, “the Spirit said to Philip, ‘Go over and join this chariot.’

Acts 13:2, “While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.'”

3. The Spirit makes decisions.

Acts 15:28, “it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements.”

3. The Spirit can be grieved.

Ephesians 4:30, “do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.”

4. The Spirit can be outraged.

Hebrews 10:29, “How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has . . . outraged the Spirit of grace?”

5. The Spirit can be lied to.

Acts 5:3, 4, “why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit? . . . You have not lied to men but to God‘”

6. The Spirit can forbid or prevent human speech and plans.

Acts 16:6-7, “they went through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia. And when they had come up to Mysia, they attempted to go into Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them.”

7. The Spirit searches everything and comprehends God’s thoughts.

1 Corinthians 2:10-11, “the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. . . . no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.”

8. The Spirit apportions spiritual gifts.

1 Corinthians 12:11, “the same Spirit . . . apportions [spiritual gifts] to each one individually as he wills.”

9. The Spirit helps us, intercedes for us, and has a mind.

Romans 8:26-27, “the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.”

10. The Spirit bears witness to believers about their adoption

Romans 8:16, “The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.”

11. The Spirit bears witness to Christ.

“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

12. The Spirit glorifies Christ, takes what is Christ, and declares it to believers.

John 16:14, “He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.”"
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justin-taylor/how-do-we-know-the-holy-spirit-is-a-person/

Names of the Holy Spirit
Spirit of God
Rom. 8:9, “However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.” See also Gen. 1:2
Spirit of Christ
Rom. 8:9, “However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.”
Spirit of your Father
Matt. 10:20, “For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.”
The Spirit of Truth
John 14:17, “that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you.” See also, John 15:26.
The Spirit of the Lord
Acts 8:39, “And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch saw him no more, but went on his way rejoicing.” See also Judges 15:14; 1 Sam. 16:12
The Holy Spirit is referred to as a person by scripture
Who
Rom. 8:11, “But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who indwells you.”
John 6:63, “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.”
1 John 5:6, “And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth.”
See also 1 Cor. 2:12; 2 Tim. 1:14;
He
John 14:26, “These things I have spoken to you, while abiding with you. “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”
Himself
Rom. 8:16, “The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,”
Rom. 8:26, “And in the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;”
Personhood of the Holy Spirit (has emotions, is aware, speaks, knows, etc.)
Grieves
Isaiah 63:10, “But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit; Therefore, He turned Himself to become their enemy, He fought against them.”
Eph. 4:30, “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.”
Loves
Rom. 15:30, “Now I urge you, brethren, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God for me.”
Has a mind
Rom. 8:27, “and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.”
Speaks
2 Sam. 23:2, “The Spirit of the LORD spoke through me; his word was on my tongue.”
Acts 8:29, “And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.”
Acts 10:19, “And while Peter was reflecting on the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you.”
Acts 11:12, “And the Spirit told me to go with them without misgivings. And these six brethren also went with me, and we entered the man’s house.”
Acts 13:2, “And while they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”
Acts 21:11, “And coming to us, he took Paul’s belt and bound his own feet and hands, and said, “This is what the Holy Spirit says: ‘In this way the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’”
Acts 28:25-26, “And when they did not agree with one another, they began leaving after Paul had spoken one parting word, “The Holy Spirit rightly spoke through Isaiah the prophet to your fathers, saying, ‘Go to this people and say, “You will keep on hearing, but will not understand.”
1 Tim. 4:1, “But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,”
Heb. 3:7-8, “Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says, ‘Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as when they provoked Me, as in the day of trial in the wilderness,”
Rev. 2:7, “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God.” See also Rev. 2:11, 17, 29; 3:6, 13, 22.
Rev. 14:13, “And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them.”
Rev. 22:17, “And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.”
Knows
1 Cor. 2:11, “For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man, which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.”
Has an awareness of goodness
Acts 15:28, “For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials.”
Can be lied to
Acts 5:3, “But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back some of the price of the land?”
Can be tested
Acts 5:9, “Then Peter said to her, ‘Why is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test?'”
Makes overseers
Acts 20:28, “Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.”
Can be a witness
Acts 5:32, “And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.”
Can be resisted
Acts 7:51, “You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit.”
Activities of the Holy Spirit
Teaches
John 14:26, “These things I have spoken to you, while abiding with you. “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”
Luke 12:12, “for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.”
Intercedes
Rom. 8:26, “And in the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;”
Leads
Matt. 4:1, “Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.”
Gives life
John 6:63, “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.”
Filled by
Acts 2:4, “And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.”
Forms of the Holy Spirit
Dove
Matt. 3:16, “And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him.”
Miscellaneous
Can be spoken against
Matt. 12:32, “And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come.”
Can be baptized with the Holy Spirit
Mark 1:8, “I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
The Spirit is given
John 3:34, “For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the Spirit without measure.”
The Spirit is received
John 20:22, “And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.”
The Spirit forbids
Acts 16:6, “And they passed through the Phrygian and Galatian region, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia.”
The Spirit searches all things
1 Cor. 2:10, “For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.”
The Spirit is the truth
1 John 5:6, “And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth.”
https://carm.org/about-the-holy-spi...y-ministry-and-personhood-of-the-holy-spirit/

https://www.adventist.org/holy-spirit/
https://www.gotquestions.org/Holy-Spirit-person.html
https://scottsdalebible.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Essentials-Session-7-Leader.pdf
https://www.blueletterbible.org/Com...oly-spirit/05-is-the-holy-spirit-a-person.cfm
https://tulsaworld.com/community/sk...cle_69596abf-c31b-5e74-b016-652c71c5a1a6.html

Isaiah 63:10 (ESV)
10 But they rebelled

and grieved his Holy Spirit;

therefore he turned to be their enemy,

and himself fought against them.

"Guidance – The Holy Spirit leads Believers through life, bestowing wisdom (Is. 11:2; Eph. 1:17), giving discernment (1 John 4:1; 1 Cor. 2:14), convicting of sin (Rom. 2:15; John 16:33), correcting errant thoughts (Ps. 94:12), offering encouragement (2 Tim. 1:7), and delivering from temptation (1 Cor. 10:13), among many more of His shepherding activities. "

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The fact that the Holy Spirit is a person can be observed in six ways.

1. He has the characteristics of a person.
2. He acts like a person.
3. He is treated as a person.
4. He has the ministry of a person.
5. He is mentioned in connection with other persons.
6. He is the Third Person of the Trinity, and therefore, is personal.

We will now consider the personality of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit Has the Characteristics of a Person
The Scriptures attribute to the Holy Spirit characteristics that only a person can truly possess. He is portrayed as a thinking being, a being who has a mind, an emotional being, and a volitional (or choosing) being.
The Holy Spirit Is a Thinking Being
The Bible says that the Holy Spirit has the intellectual capacity to think and know. These are the marks of personhood.
The Apostle Paul wrote to the church at Corinth about this aspect of the Spirit of God. He put it in this manner.
Although no human being can understand the mind of God, the Bible says that Holy Spirit is able to do this. The Holy Spirit thinks, searches, and uses reason. These things imply personality. In fact, the word translated, “search” is the same one used by Jesus in John 5:39 where He said the following to the religious leaders.
The word has the idea to, “examine or investigate.” Since the Spirit is said to “search all things” this implies personality. He searches the deep things of God and reveals them to believers.