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Oblio

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Oblio, you're doing it again...get back on topic!!!
 
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Oblio

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Well, that explains it! She always was a little strange...though that's worked out in your favor! Lol
 

Pilgrimshope

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Sons of God (angels - actually fallen and/or disobedient angels). Daughters of men - what it means, women born to Adam and his descendants.
“Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Seth replaced cain who had children of his own after he was cut out of adams line

“And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The sons of God are those of seths line who began to call on his name

“And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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Well, that explains it! She always was a little strange...though that's worked out in your favor! Lol
She is a godly woman I will have you know and has exquisite taste in appeal. I have never dressed better. :)
 

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What is theright interpertation of son of gods and daughter of men???
the sons of God are those of seths line and called on his name . They had began to marry with cains daughters who were not of the line of Seth and came from cains line who had been cut out of adams line

Notice how cain doesn’t appear in adams line but skips to Seth.

“This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s why later in scripture marrying wives not of the same faith was forbidden seths line are Gods sons and cains line is the daughters of men
 
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Oblio

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She is a godly woman I will have you know and has exquisite taste in appeal. I have never dressed better. :)
I can't argue with that! :)
 

CS1

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the sons of God are those of seths line and called on his name . They had began to marry with cains daughters who were not of the line of Seth and came from cains line who had been cut out of adams line

Notice how cain doesn’t appear in adams line but skips to Seth.

“This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s why later in scripture marrying wives, not of the same faith was forbidden seths line are Gods sons and cains line is the daughters of men
What I find interesting is how does one comes to the understanding that "the sons of God are those of seths line"? I am not disagreeing with you nor do I want to be confrontational, d you come to the understanding that we have nothing in the word of God pertaining to Cain other than he did have children. Yet WE do not see in the word of God ( please show me) Seth is the line. I hear some say Melchezdeck was Seth too,.
 

Pilgrimshope

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What I find interesting is how does one comes to the understanding that "the sons of God are those of seths line"? I am not disagreeing with you nor do I want to be confrontational, d you come to the understanding that we have nothing in the word of God pertaining to Cain other than he did have children. Yet WE do not see in the word of God ( please show me) Seth is the line. I hear some say Melchezdeck was Seth too,.
this is what leads me to believe that ( I’m no authority but this is how I came to that conclusion )

Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, ( son of God )after his image; and called his name Seth: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Seth replaced cain who had children of his own after he was cut out of adams line

“And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The sons of God are those of seths line who began to call on his name

“And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

seths line believed and called upon his name cain went out from his presence that’s the distinction in my opinion
 

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the sons of God are those of seths line and called on his name . They had began to marry with cains daughters who were not of the line of Seth and came from cains line who had been cut out of adams line

Notice how cain doesn’t appear in adams line but skips to Seth.

“This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s why later in scripture marrying wives not of the same faith was forbidden seths line are Gods sons and cains line is the daughters of men
Ah, there it is. I was saving this for a slow day but you beat me to it. Thank you brother. :)

It's really interesting to go look at the lineages in Genesis. You'll see several "and so-n-so had (insert proper name) and then had other sons and daughters". I believe there was a preserved "priestly" lineage in the children whose names are mentioned.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Ah, there it is. I was saving this for a slow day but you beat me to it. Thank you brother. :)

It's really interesting to go look at the lineages in Genesis. You'll see several "and so-n-so had (insert proper name) and then had other sons and daughters". I believe there was a preserved "priestly" lineage in the children whose names are mentioned.
Indeed they were operating under the priesthood ordinance of melchezidek which is the priesthood of the sons and not under the leviticle which came because of transgression and ordained the law of Moses until the seed of promise came forth the high priest in melchezideks order Jesus Christ
 

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What is theright interpertation of son of gods and daughter of men???
Since the sons of god in Job are in heaven, they are likely angels. A phrase can have different meanings in other texts. Example Jesus is called the son of God, thus showing that he has Divine nature, Kings may in some way be called God's sons, meaning simply God gave them authority to rule.
 

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What is theright interpertation of son of gods and daughter of men???
SONS OF GOD = THE ANGELS THAT SINNED (OR KEPT NOT THEIR FIRST ESTATE)
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly (2 Peter 2:4,5)
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Jude 1:6,7)

DAUGHTERS OF MEN = HUMAN WOMEN

OFFSPRING = GIANTS AND MEN OF RENOWN
 
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It is very clear when one takes the Bible as a whole that this chapter refers to the first fall of the angels. They fell because they lusted after the women before the Flood. This event is cited in the letters of Jude 1, 2 Peter 2, and 1 Corinthians 11. This leaves no room whatsoever for uncertainty or ambiguity of what happened and why and who was involved in the popular debate about Genesis 6.
 

John146

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one of the big errors of translation is trying to make the same term in JOB mean something in Genesis 6. The word is the same but the context are not.

Sons of God with satan = angels the book of Job contextually
son of God with the daughters on men = men with women in Genesis 6. contextually.
So, God destroyed all mankind because men and women were marrying one another?
 

John146

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“Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Seth replaced cain who had children of his own after he was cut out of adams line

“And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The sons of God are those of seths line who began to call on his name

“And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬
The only way man, after the fall, can become a son of God is through the new birth by the cross of Jesus.
 

Pilgrimshope

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The only way man, after the fall, can become a son of God is through the new birth by the cross of Jesus.
we’re born anew by believing the gospel the everlasting word of God

“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

no ones “ born of the cross “ were born of the word of God and believing what Jesus Christ said will give us new life
 

Pilgrimshope

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#38
It is very clear when one takes the Bible as a whole that this chapter refers to the first fall of the angels. They fell because they lusted after the women before the Flood. This event is cited in the letters of Jude 1, 2 Peter 2, and 1 Corinthians 11. This leaves no room whatsoever for uncertainty or ambiguity of what happened and why and who was involved in the popular debate about Genesis 6.
how can a spiritual bekng breed with flesh and blood ?

“And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not sure angels have human dna or can procreate with a different species can they ? Wouldn’t make sense
 

John146

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we’re born anew by believing the gospel the everlasting word of God

“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

no ones “ born of the cross “ were born of the word of God and believing what Jesus Christ said will give us new life
In order to become a son of God, one must believe on Jesus Christ.

John 1:
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
 

John146

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how can a spiritual bekng breed with flesh and blood ?

“And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not sure angels have human dna or can procreate with a different species can they ? Wouldn’t make sense
Jude
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.