Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

I didn't explain anything. I pointed out what the Bible said.

The question is: why don't you believe the Bible?

Or, why don't you explain the verses I have quoted and prove that they don't mean what they say? Or simply explain what they do say.

It seems to me the "faithful believers" are the true Church, and the true Church is from all nations from the entire world.

FreeGrace2 said:
Please explain 1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

I see ALL believers from Adam on in one resurrection, and that is "when He comes".
Well, I assumed everyone who posts here undestands English. But apparently you seem not to.

I just explained what 1 Cor 15:23 says. No "pointed fingers" as you falsely charged.

Why don't you give it a try? I mean, explain 1 Cor 15:23, not can you point fingers.

We've been down this road before, and there is no explaining to you! Total waste of time unless you really want to see the rapture side, in which you don't!

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Look at Verse 31 specifically, with the Sound of the Trumpet, Christ's Angels will first (1) gather His Elect from the 4 Winds (that is Earth), then next (2) from one end of Heaven to the other.

Four Winds is North South East West = EARTH.

So even Christ tells us after Tribulation, He gathers those on Earth before those in Heaven.

I have shown it before, the elect in Matt. 24 are Israel. The entire 24th chapter of Matt. is addressed to the Jews.

Isa. 11:11-12

"And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."

This is the gathering of Matt. 24:31. It is Israel!

All Saved are the Elect!

You cannot pick and choose like you are.

OK, we are done.

Yes, but depending on the context of scripture.

God deals separately with the Church and Israel.

Be careful of the context to see who of the elect are being discussed.

You are adding Words to what Christ said, here.
If you are going to Warn someone, stand in front of a Mirror and Warn Yourself!

It would be best if you were to read Matt. 24 very carefully from the beginning, before you accuse anyone of wrong doing.

Matthew 24 relates to the Temple, 70 A.D., the Second Coming and the Fig Tree.

You, on the other hand, are adding meaning and words not anywhere found in relationship to Matthew 24.

We are done!

I don't debate those who add their own meaning to something that cannot be found.

That's fine with me!

Absolutely correct!

Indeed.....the Church is nowhere to be found in Matt 24. The post-tribbers endless failings in comprehending the essential rudiments of legit end-times scholarship is woefully yet abundantly evident on this thread.

Post-tosties.....try and keep up will you?

I've already seen "the rapture" side. In fact, as I already pointed out, I was raised believing in a pre trib rapture and then going to heaven.

Yet, when I look for clear evidence from Scripture, there isn't any. So don't tell me I'm not looking. Pure nonsense.

Actually, I have seen the light (truth). All believers (both dead and alive) receive their glorified bodies when Jesus returns at the Second Advent.

1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

If this verse doesn't say what I just said above, please tell me what it is saying.

What I've discovered is that those who claim "there is no explaining to you" and "you don't really want to see" are merely hiding their own inability to prove a pretrib rapture, so they just blame others instead of admitting their own inadequacy.

Your claim is a total error. The passage clearly speaks of gathering the elect from the 4 corners of the earth. That's all believers.

This is NOT what the Bible teaches.

Col 3:11 - Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

And, if that's not enough evidence, 1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

From Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14 and Acts 24:15, we know that there will be only ONE resurrection of the saved. And Paul clearly says that the resurrection will be for "those who belong to Him". And it is when He comes. All of them WHEN He comes.

He didn't say Jews at one resurrection, the Church at another, and Trib martyrs at another.

Nope. Just one resurrection. All believers from Adam on will receive glorified bodies "when He comes".

Undeniable.

It's a shame though, how many believers will actually deny the clear truth of 1 Cor 15:23.

Heaven_Bound said:
We are done!

I don't debate those who add their own meaning to something that cannot be found.
Wow. He didn't even try to refute the charge. It's just fine with C24 that HB won't debate him because he adds his own meaning which cannot be found in Scripture.

Just amazing!!

Doesn't matter what is said, what scripture is explained, it all is just dismissed.

I have no time for you FG, you just get nastier and nastier with your attitude, I've seen it to many times!

Yep....FG on ignore. Again. My patience has limits...lol.