Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.
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FreeGrace2 said:
Please explain 1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
I see ALL believers from Adam on in one resurrection, and that is "when He comes".
Well, I assumed everyone who posts here undestands English. But apparently you seem not to.
I just explained what 1 Cor 15:23 says. No "pointed fingers" as you falsely charged.
Why don't you give it a try? I mean, explain 1 Cor 15:23, not can you point fingers.
Please explain 1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
I see ALL believers from Adam on in one resurrection, and that is "when He comes".
Well, I assumed everyone who posts here undestands English. But apparently you seem not to.
I just explained what 1 Cor 15:23 says. No "pointed fingers" as you falsely charged.
Why don't you give it a try? I mean, explain 1 Cor 15:23, not can you point fingers.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Look at Verse 31 specifically, with the Sound of the Trumpet, Christ's Angels will first (1) gather His Elect from the 4 Winds (that is Earth), then next (2) from one end of Heaven to the other.
Four Winds is North South East West = EARTH.
So even Christ tells us after Tribulation, He gathers those on Earth before those in Heaven.
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Look at Verse 31 specifically, with the Sound of the Trumpet, Christ's Angels will first (1) gather His Elect from the 4 Winds (that is Earth), then next (2) from one end of Heaven to the other.
Four Winds is North South East West = EARTH.
So even Christ tells us after Tribulation, He gathers those on Earth before those in Heaven.
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I have shown it before, the elect in Matt. 24 are Israel. The entire 24th chapter of Matt. is addressed to the Jews.
Isa. 11:11-12
"And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
This is the gathering of Matt. 24:31. It is Israel!
Isa. 11:11-12
"And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
This is the gathering of Matt. 24:31. It is Israel!
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I've already seen "the rapture" side. In fact, as I already pointed out, I was raised believing in a pre trib rapture and then going to heaven.
Yet, when I look for clear evidence from Scripture, there isn't any. So don't tell me I'm not looking. Pure nonsense.
Actually, I have seen the light (truth). All believers (both dead and alive) receive their glorified bodies when Jesus returns at the Second Advent.
1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
If this verse doesn't say what I just said above, please tell me what it is saying.
What I've discovered is that those who claim "there is no explaining to you" and "you don't really want to see" are merely hiding their own inability to prove a pretrib rapture, so they just blame others instead of admitting their own inadequacy.
Yet, when I look for clear evidence from Scripture, there isn't any. So don't tell me I'm not looking. Pure nonsense.
Actually, I have seen the light (truth). All believers (both dead and alive) receive their glorified bodies when Jesus returns at the Second Advent.
1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
If this verse doesn't say what I just said above, please tell me what it is saying.
What I've discovered is that those who claim "there is no explaining to you" and "you don't really want to see" are merely hiding their own inability to prove a pretrib rapture, so they just blame others instead of admitting their own inadequacy.
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This is NOT what the Bible teaches.
Col 3:11 - Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
And, if that's not enough evidence, 1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
From Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14 and Acts 24:15, we know that there will be only ONE resurrection of the saved. And Paul clearly says that the resurrection will be for "those who belong to Him". And it is when He comes. All of them WHEN He comes.
He didn't say Jews at one resurrection, the Church at another, and Trib martyrs at another.
Nope. Just one resurrection. All believers from Adam on will receive glorified bodies "when He comes".
Undeniable.
It's a shame though, how many believers will actually deny the clear truth of 1 Cor 15:23.
Col 3:11 - Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
And, if that's not enough evidence, 1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
From Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14 and Acts 24:15, we know that there will be only ONE resurrection of the saved. And Paul clearly says that the resurrection will be for "those who belong to Him". And it is when He comes. All of them WHEN He comes.
He didn't say Jews at one resurrection, the Church at another, and Trib martyrs at another.
Nope. Just one resurrection. All believers from Adam on will receive glorified bodies "when He comes".
Undeniable.
It's a shame though, how many believers will actually deny the clear truth of 1 Cor 15:23.
