How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

Don't you mean, none that you will acknowledge! There are plenty if you will open your eyes to it!

True according to whom? Certainly not true according to God and Christ. Now we have one rabid anti-pre-tribulation-rapture fanatic on this thread making wildly false accusations about other Christians, while unable to comprehend plain Bible truths.

This is a classic case of reading into a verse what is not there:

"Paul taught post-trib not pre-trib. He warned against pre-trib when he taught the man of sin had to be revealed before our gathering to Christ. "

In His first letter, He taught that the resurrection / catching up would come before the Day of the Lord and just before wrath. In His second letter, He said that the departing must come FIRST as the restrainer being taken out of the way, and then people would know THE DAY has started.

You are trying to equate THE DAY with the rapture. Every mention of the Day of the Lord in the Old Testament is a dark day of wrath - so it CANNOT be the same day as the rapture.

Study it without preconceived glasses on: the man of sin CANNOT be revealed until the restraining power is removed: "taken out of the way." The departing - of the church as in the rapture - satisfies the restraining force being taken out of the way and satisfies Paul writing "and now you know what is restraining..."

We cannot understand and form theories from 1 Thes. 4 & 5 without considering 2 Thes. 2, nor can we form theories from 2 Thes. 2 without considering 1 Thes. 4 & 5. Both passages must fit the intent of the Author.

Then we cannot form theories from either or both of these passages while ignoring the book of Revelation. If we form a theory from one end time passage, that theory then must fit every other end time passage. Posttrib doctrine fails this test. The ONLY scriptures that may seem to be posttrib really are not. A classic example is the gathering in Matthew 24: the anchor verse for posttrib. No one has ever proven by scripture that a gathering from heaven can fit Paul's rapture which gathers from earth. No one has ever proven by scripture that a gathering after the tribulation of those days fits Paul's rapture that gathers before wrath.

NO PROBLEM, says posttribbers: we'll just move wrath to the end of the week, and while we are at it, move the marriage and supper to later and on the earth.

Christ's return SHALL NOT COME until the Apostasy happens FIRST. What a neat trick! But you are CAUGHT with your slight of hand or in this case, slight of words. It is the DAY OF THE LORD that shall not come. You substituted "Christ's return." You are CAUGHT.

His resurrection was called the firstfruits.

1 Corinthians 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

By the very definition of "first" it demands there be a second and others to follow.

Jesus was the first human to die and receive a resurrection body. But coming very soon, billions are going to follow and receive their resurrection body.

I stand corrected: Jesus TOOK part in the chief of all resurrections. The Bride of Christ will soon follow.

JESUS is the Firstfruit = the First Resurrection = We(in Christ) are the Firstfruits = We (in Christ) will be part of the First Resurrection

There is no second, third, fourth , fifth.... resurrection of the Saints.

ALL the Dead in Christ are part of JESUS who is the RESURRECTION = The FIRST RESURRECTION.

The Billions/Trillions who are in Christ will be resurrected at His Second Coming.

There is NO third coming of the Lord.

It is not my fault you don't read properly. The truth is very simple: Paul's rapture/resurrection comes BEFORE wrath (6th seal) but the resurrection of the Old Testament saints is "on the last day. It will be interesting to see how you twist things to make before wrath be "on the last day."

ORDER OF EVENTS

Great Tribulation (ends)
Trumpet 1
Trumpet 2
Trumpet 3
Trumpet 4
Trumpet 5
Trumpet 6
Heaven / Temple Opened
JESUS
Trumpet 7
Resurrection & Rapture
Pre-Wrath
Vial 1
Vial 2
Vial 3
Vial 4
Vial 5
Vial 6
Armageddon
Vial 7

Seal 6 spans from Trumpet 1 to Vial 7.

The 'Wrath of God' is the Vials. (ONLY)

The 'Day of the Lord' begins at 'JESUS'.

The Two Witnesses cause the Trumpet Events. (1-5, at least)

Please see:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Order_Of_Events.html

Sure it can.

Your conclusion is based on bad/false assumption.

Where you miss it: the 'Day of the Lord' begins the moment Jesus returns (Second Coming - here to stay) - and not one microsecond before...

There is a lot more to it than that. Look at the Trumpet 4 - one-third of the day (and the night likewise). When have you ever seen an eclipse that will do that?

These signs are about a one-time special "supernatural" occurrence - not a 'common' event like an eclipse.

Christ did not say i will pre-trib rapture you in Revelation 3:10 or anywhere in Scripture.

What HE said is "I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation," Rev 3:10

The LORD said had already said this BEFORE HE went to the Cross = John ch17

But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.
They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling,
And to present you faultless
Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
To God our Savior,
Who alone is wise,
Be glory and majesty,
Dominion and power,
Both now and forever.
Amen.
Jude ch1

There is no 'between' the 6th seal and Armageddon. The events of the description of the 6th seal occur over a span that runs from Trumpet 1 to Vial 7 - which includes all of the things you see listed in post #3907 from 'Trumpet 1' to 'Vial 7'.

Please note that 'Great Tribulation' is not included...

The falling away is a departure of the church’s faith. It’s worshiping the first one who claims to be Jesus because they are deceived and don’t know that it’s actually Satan, the antichrist. ….but the whole world, with the exception of those who
have the seal of God (His Word) in their foreheads (Rev. 9:4), will believe that he is the real Jesus Christ and will worship him as God!
That is the great falling away—the Great Apostasy! That's why the pre-tribulation rapture theory is such a dangerous doctrine. It sets people up for the fall—the great falling away.

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (NKJV)

The LORD said this, the Holy Spirit said this and thee Apostle John with Paul said this.

Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will depart from the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.
1 Timothy 4:1

~ As does also the 'falling away' (apostasy) which "diminishes" the power of the working of the Holy Spirit in the world.

(You see - the Holy Spirit does not have to actually leave the earth (completely/entirely) - He only need be "pushed aside" by the apostasy - such that He has [far] fewer saints to work in-and-through.)

~ As does also the "diminishing" of the church due to mass beheading of the saints for not worshipping the beast.

--- the "pre-trib rapture of the church" is not the only explanation that "fits"...

I guess He wasn't speaking the rapture to you! If you so insist I won't leave out the possibility that He will leave those behind so they can have their wish!

It might not be as funny as you think when the time comes!

i am sorry, i did not know you were an apostle - lolx 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

The REAL Apostle said:
But I will keep on doing what I am doing, in order to undercut those who want an opportunity to be regarded as our equals in the things of which they boast.
For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.

Oh, OK! Their faith is "snatched away." I see now! Better try again!