How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

[lamad]

Allow me to add:


Peter speaks of Paul's Epistles and says some people have a hard time understanding them as they do "the other scriptures".

2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The scriptures are things written via inspiration from God and Paul's letters are also inspired as he was taught directly by God the Son.

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.


There's a reason his letters are part of the bible...because they are inspired scripture. Being letters doesn't change anything.

I couldn't agree more! Good job.

 

[lamad]

For those who insist that Revelation is [strictly] in chronological order - have you noticed that the marriage of the Lamb is AFTER the Wrath of God and the fall of Babylon / judgment-of-the-great-whore?

That's not exactly 'pre-trib', now is it?

"Food for thought..."

It IS in perfect chronological order (when one recognizes the parentheses and intermissions) and the fact that the marriage is after wrath is scripture. Most pretribbers only follow their pastors anyway, else they would KNOW the rapture was not in Rev. 4:1.

WHY did John see the marriage and supper after the 70th week had finished (7th vial)?
It is simple: God will have to wait for the resurrection of the OLD TESTAMENT saints, and they are not resurrected until the last day - at the 7th vial.

 

[lamad]

193 pages of posts, and I doubt anyone has budged an inch from what they believe.

 

[lamad]

I'll just stick with what the Bible says, and what learned and studied Koine Greek scholars agree with, that the "falling away" G646 is about apostasy. It's also used in Acts 21:21 to describe apostasy against Moses.

Internet forum-dwellers fiddling with Greek words to make them mean something other than what they do is both alarming and a red flag for a false doctrine. It does nothing to enhance the pre-trib rapture belief system and repulses those who respect the Bible.

It is a truth, Greek words, just like English words, can have more than one meaning - especially a compound English word.

 

[ewq1938]

It is a truth, Greek words, just like English words, can have more than one meaning - especially a compound English word.

It's a Greek word not an English word. It doesn't have contradictory meanings. You reject it's official definition so why would your opinion have any value? All Greek resources agree that apostasia means an Apostasy and departure from the truth. Disagreeing with that just shows how badly incorrect your stance is.

 

[DavidTree]

That is very basic because before those alive are caught up, those who are dead will be resurrected.

However, the way you wrote "THE resurrection" makes it seem like there will be only one moment in time where someone or a group is resurrected.

Where you miss it: JESUS was resurrected. When? It will turn out to be around 2000 years before the church dead will be resurrected. Now we have TWO resurrections with nearly 2000 years between. However, around 7 years after the dead in Christ are resurrected, it will be time for the Old Testament saints to be resurrection. Their time will probably be at the 7th vial.
Then the Two Witnesses will be resurrected too. Do you know when their time is?
There will also be those beheaded that will be resurrected. Again, do you know when?

No where is this in Scripture - these are your words - not from God.

There will be only one FIRST Resurrection and that takes place at His Second Coming and not a day before.

1 Thess 4:13-18 , Mtthew ch24 , 1 Corinthians ch 15 , Hebrews 9:28

 

[ewq1938]

Christ is not the "first resurrection" found in Revelation 20 but he is why it happens.

Rev 20 speaks of two groups of the dead that resurrect/live again.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of this first group of the dead because they resurrect first. The rest have to wait for their resurrection:

"the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)

This is the last resurrection of those who are dead. One group resurrected and "the rest" or the remaining ones did not resurrect when the others did.

This proves they partake of the second resurrection also known as the last resurrection because no one is still physically dead after they "live again". This proves without a doubt that there are two separate days of resurrections separated by a thousand years.

The first group resurrects before the thousand years begins and the second/last group resurrects after the end of the thousand years.

 

[DavidTree]

It's a Greek word not an English word. It doesn't have contradictory meanings. You reject it's official definition so why would your opinion have any value? All Greek resources agree that apostasia means an Apostasy and departure from the truth. Disagreeing with that just shows how badly incorrect your stance is.

This is so immature, self seeking and corrupt to seek change the clear meaning of Scripture.

And they seek to do this at 2 Thess 2:3 because they know they must to keep the error of pre-trib going.

For if they accept 2 Thess 2:3, as it is written, then there pre-trib error is vaporized from the brightness of TRUTH.

 

[DavidTree]

It IS in perfect chronological order (when one recognizes the parentheses and intermissions) and the fact that the marriage is after wrath is scripture. Most pretribbers only follow their pastors anyway, else they would KNOW the rapture was not in Rev. 4:1.

WHY did John see the marriage and supper after the 70th week had finished (7th vial)?
It is simple: God will have to wait for the resurrection of the OLD TESTAMENT saints, and they are not resurrected until the last day - at the 7th vial.

No one is Resurrected until the Second Coming of Christ - 1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 Cor ch15 , Hebrews 9:28 , 1 John 3:1-3

 

[Absolutely]

Do you know why my understanding always MATCHES? Because it is the truth, not some jibberish logic I learned from other men, but rather that which I allowed to Holy Spirit to teach me by EMPTYIMG MYSELF before the Lord God and saying simply TEACH ME, Lord. If we really believed all this, we would then expect everything you write to be 100% truth. However, that is not what we find.

Cue sarcasm.....
I guess the seven letters to the seven churches are just a heavenly rant of Jesus.

 

[Absolutely]

193 pages of posts, and I doubt anyone has budged an inch from what they believe.

Can you imagine the investment they have in their doctrines?

That is why.

 

[DavidTree]

Can you imagine the investment they have in their doctrines?

That is why.

Good Morning Brother,

There is Great Eternal Wealth to be found in the Word of God - i hope you are blessed today in the Holy Spirit.

There were only two who were raptured and neither one was pre-trib raptured.

Enoch, the 7th from Adam, who was a foreshadow of CHRIST.

Elijah, who with Israel, were in great tribulation before he was raptured.

Noah, Daniel and Job all found themselves in great tribulation and God kept them thru it.

Elijah and possibly Enoch are brought back and placed again in great tribulation, only to be killed by the Antichrist.

The Apostles and Disciples all found themselves in great tribulation with many being put to death for their faith.

Stephen was the first witness to die after Christ ( Acts ch7)

All these men and women were abounding in Faith and the Holy Spirit - much more then us today.

May the The Investment Firm of Deut 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 and Revelation 22:18-19 richly Bless You Today Brother.

 

[Rondonmon]

Do you know why my understanding always MATCHES? Because it is the truth, not some jibberish logic I learned from other men, but rather that which I allowed to Holy Spirit to teach me by EMPTYIMG MYSELF before the Lord God and saying simply TEACH ME, Lord. If we really believed all this, we would then expect everything you write to be 100% truth. However, that is not what we find.

You believe in the Seals being opened for 2000 years which I proved is an error.

And you will see one day everything I speak about the end time is factual. So, it's not relevant what you believe or do not believe, that changes nothing in reality.

I don't sit around and think to myself, Lord, if these guys don't agree with what the Holy Spirit has taught me should I fret, LOLOLOL, that seems to be your problem, you follow men's understands, not God

 

[Rondonmon]

Can you imagine the investment they have in their doctrines?

That is why.

There is no need to budge when one listens to the Holy Spirit, the problem is too many here hear not what the Holy Spirit says.

 

[DavidTree]

There is no need to budge when one listens to the Holy Spirit, the problem is too many here hear not what the Holy Spirit says.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth - HE will not lie or twist Scripture in any way - Truth never changes.

We are only Sanctified when we abide under and in His Word - John 17

The Investment Firm of Deut 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 and Revelation 22:18-19 will richly Bless You Today Brother.

 

[DavidTree]

There is no need to budge when one listens to the Holy Spirit, the problem is too many here hear not what the Holy Spirit says.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth - HE will not lie or twist Scripture in any way - Truth never changes.

We are only Sanctified when we abide under and in His Word - John 17

I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world. For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth.

TRUTH is the SAME for each and every Born-Again Saint. We can all agree if we agree with "It is written" just as our Savior did.

 

[Rondonmon]

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth - HE will not lie or twist Scripture in any way - Truth never changes.

We are only Sanctified when we abide under and in His Word - John 17

I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world. For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth.

TRUTH is the SAME for each and every Born-Again Saint. We can all agree if we agree with "It is written" just as our Savior did.

And you do not understand His voice brother, because you hear Satan's small still voice that deceived Peter into trying to fight, Christians can also be lied to. When you get to heaven and understand you put forth many understandings that were falsehoods then a light bulb will go off.

 

[DavidTree]

And you do not understand His voice brother, because you hear Satan's small still voice that deceived Peter into trying to fight, Christians can also be lied to. When you get to heaven and understand you put forth many understandings that were falsehoods then a light bulb will go off.

God's Word is the only source of Truth - the Holy Spirit will only speak to us as "It is written" and will never divert us away from Truth.

What evidence are you able to bring forth of such as you say of me "because you hear Satan's small still voice that deceived Peter"

If you have such evidence bring it forth as it will only be a blessing to me, so that i may recover from satan's voice.

Never hold back from helping your Brother - just make sure you have evidence or you may be the one listening to the spririt of error.

PEACE

 

[Rondonmon]

God's Word is the only source of Truth - the Holy Spirit will only speak to us as "It is written" and will never divert us away from Truth.

What evidence are you able to bring forth of such as you say of me "because you hear Satan's small still voice that deceived Peter"

If you have such evidence bring it forth as it will only be a blessing to me, so that i may recover from satan's voice.

Never hold back from helping your Brother - just make sure you have evidence or you may be the one listening to the spririt of error.

PEACE

Because you put forth erroneous understandings on 90 percent of all your posts. And when things like the LAST TRUMP are explained, you then just DUCK IT and continue with your own beliefs.

 

[Aaron56]

193 pages of posts, and I doubt anyone has budged an inch from what they believe.

Yeah, I never intended this to become an argument. I was just stating what was true.