More pieces fall into place

International Coalition of Apostles; now known as the International Coalition of Apostolic Leaders. If you click the Membership Information link you'll find that memberships range from between $350 and $650. Oh, and "Membership fees do not include fees for conferences or summits." You have to be a qualifying apostle to join:

Oh my...

You know, this actually may involve a little interpretation where fulfillment is concerned, because while it is prophesied that He will manifest Himself visibly to church councils in larger cities in the end-times, this dream could be saying He will fully manifest Himself through the church even before that. We are His body, and when we manifest more of His Fulness in the earth, it will be something like a hologram of His image in a way; a facsimile if you will of the Real thing, yet in spiritual form.

Just throwing it out there without having the time yet to really analyze it for more. But the True image of Christ in His character isn't quite as "attractive" as some people think either. When He comes (manifests), He brings judgment, and chastises, and disciplines, and He is not quite the lovey-dovey, all grace and forgiveness kind of guy many think He is. The Real Jesus executes judgments, and He will upturns table and cause all kinds of chaos when He shows up, no matter form.

Whatever the case, that's an excellent dream, and I read somewhere in scripture that it's true; there's a prophecy regarding the Messiah that "his visage was not comely" or something like that. I'd have to find it.

Essentially anyone who says they heard from God, and were given a mandate to be an apostle, is one.

I'm slowly learning to be increasingly careful. Interpreting dreams is tricky, especially without discernment or word of knowledge. It can be like seeing through a glass VERY darkly, where you make out certain things but the big question is: Who are the subjects in this dream? Is it about this person or about that one?

I chalk it up to experience plus prayer. As someone posted, you grow into the gifts, and you have to learn from your mistakes, despite the erroneous notion that perfection somehow falls upon fallible human beings the minute they begin entering into the use of a gift.

Very encouraging indeed thank you good sir. I will be gone for three or four days as I am going home for the holidays but I hope to be able to speak with you again soon.

This was said of what many called the suffering servant.

Isaiah 53:2 For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground; He has no stately form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him. 3 He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face, He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed. 6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him. 7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He did not open His mouth; Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, So He did not open His mouth. 8 By oppression and judgment He was taken away; And as for His generation, who considered That He was cut off out of the land of the living, For the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due? 9 His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was with a rich man in His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.10 But the Lord was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the Lord will prosper in His hand. 11 As a result of the anguish of His soul, He will see it and be satisfied;By His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will justify the many, As He will bear their iniquities.

Starting to grow concerned about this myself, quite frankly. There is also the problem of the enemy going after people who walk with you, and if those walking with you are not strong enough to endure what will come (most are not) the enemy turns them against you, or at the very least causes them to distance themselves from you, which can be painful.

Thanks for sharing. It's encouraging to know I am not the only one.

I ran across a video this morning (see below). It's about a YouTuber I'd never heard of, but his channel has over 300k subscribers. The videos plays quite of few clips of Troy Black admitting he gets it wrong; but apparently he still considers himself God's prophet.

What we have here is someone who has obviously been influenced by the false prophets who drafted the Prophetic Standards Statement (see link in my original post). In the first example in Caleb's video, Black says:


Really, getting it wrong is "just the nature of prophecy?" Maybe false prophecy.

Let's think about this.

All of God's prophets in the Bible, with the exception of Jesus, were human. Being human doesn't excuse making false prophecy. If someone actually hears from God their prophecy will be true, no doubts about it, even if they are human.

So, Black says sometimes he hears "very clearly and accurately" but his human frailty prevents him from imparting accurately what he very clearly and accurately heard! He must think people are pretty stupid.

Yes, we know in part and prophecy in part; but this verse isn't excusing false prophecy, it's simply saying that prophecy is incomplete until some future date when the "perfect" comes.

It's a very sad state of affairs that so many people follow this guy and apparently think he's actually a prophet of God.

Many may not know the name Wayne Grudem or his book The Gift of Prophecy in the New Testament and Today; or maybe you do. Apparently it's a popular book in charismatic circles.

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Nope, never heard of it, never seen it. My pastor is an avid reader and recommends books to us all the time. We also have a packed library. This isn't in it. Never heard of him or the book. And the circles I've traveled in are far wider than anyone here has done.

Nope, never heard of it, never seen it. My pastor is an avid reader and recommends books to us all the time. We also have a packed library. This isn't in it. Never heard of him or the book. And the circles I've traveled in are far wider than anyone here has done.

I'm going to say this, and I don't care what anyone else on here thinks about it.

People better be careful what they amen.

God's the one that calls prophets, and His prophets don't just hit and miss.

People who give out false prophecies need to be rebuked and marked as such. In hopes that they will repent. Also, to protect/shield others who may not have proper discernment.

Going out saying the Lord said something when he did not is a dangerous thing and not to be dismissed and taken lightly.

1Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 2“Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Tell those who prophesy out of their own imagination: Hear the word of the LORD! 3This is what the Lord GOD says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit, yet have seen nothing. 4Your prophets, O Israel, are like foxes among the ruins. 5You did not go up to the gaps or restore the wall around the house of Israel so that it would stand in the battle on the Day of the LORD.

6They see false visions and speak lying divinations. They claim, ‘Thus declares the LORD,’ when the LORD did not send them; yet they wait for the fulfillment of their message.

7Haven’t you seen a false vision and spoken a lying divination when you proclaim, ‘Thus declares the LORD,’ even though I have not spoken?

8Therefore this is what the Lord GOD says: Because you have uttered vain words and seen false visions, I am against you, declares the Lord GOD.

17Now, O son of man, set your face against the daughters of your people who prophesy out of their own imagination. Prophesy against them 18and tell them that this is what the Lord GOD says: Woe to the women who sew magic charms on their wrists and make veils for the heads of people of every height, in order to ensnare their souls. Will you ensnare the souls of My people but preserve your own? 19You have profaned Me among My people for handfuls of barley and scraps of bread. By lying to My people who would listen, you have killed those who should not have died and spared those who should not have lived.

Ezekiel 13

apparently God does not care for those who put words in His mouth.

read the entire chapter for a better understanding of how God responds to the liars who say 'God told me to tell you' when He never said a thing

What circles have you traveled? In other words, what have they entailed?