How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

Scripture PROVES 'pre-trib' is a lie and a cancer, for it came from satan and never came out of the mouth of God.

This is why no one can find in Scripture a single verse that states 'Christ will pre-trib rapture His Bride/His Elect/His Saints.
Not one passage of Scripture from the LORD or the Apostles saying 'the rapture occurs BEFORE the First Resurrection.'

If i were to preach/teach pre-trib then i would be a liar.

i have always said: PROVE pre-trib - bring forth the Scripture - NO ONE has been able because it does not exist in Scripture.

These three Prophets of God, Noah Daniel and Job condemn the lie of pre-trib rapture.

You don't understand that verse at all.

Jesus said, "And if I go and prepare a place for you" that is regarding those who die while Christ is in heaven. Jesus will eventually leave heaven: "I will come again" That is the second coming and here is the important thing: "I will come again and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."

So where is Christ and all the saved Christians? Earth.

"I will come again and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."

This is what Jesus said. This is what you think he said:

"I will come again and receive you unto myself AND TAKE YOU BACK TO HEAVEN; that where I am, there ye may be also."

He never said when he came back, that he was taking anyone to heaven. He comes again to Earth and where he is on Earth is where the church will be.

If you can't read the verse correctly, how can you possibly understand it?? You can't. Pre-trib is a man made, non-biblical, Eisegesis filled nonsense doctrine.

Please post the next misunderstood pre-trib verse so I can show you your next error.

LOL...you have not won that point.......we are just tired of repeats...that is arguing.

We are ALL grafted into the Jewish Tree. But we are Gentiles. That will not change until we get resurrection bodies.

Here is a tip for understanding the end times: there are THREE groups that God speaks of and to:
1. The Jews
2. The church - mostly Gentile
3. The nations

If one finds a verse pointed to the Jews, and applies it to the church, their theory will be in error.
If a Jew finds a scripture pointed to the Jews and imagines it is for the church, their theory will be in error.

The truth is, the bible is a Jewish book. God allowing the Gentiles to partake came about because Israel rejected their Messiah.

Acts 15:14
Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

You can rant and rave, and call people names, imagine they lie, etc, but the truth remains the truth: the church age we are in is only a parenthesis inserted into Jewish time.

Daniel wrote in a gap in which we are now in.

Dan 9:
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The written in gap is in bolded print. It is an unstated period of time BETWEEN the Jewish 69 weeks and the Jewish 70th week. For the church age, blindness in part has been put upon the Jews and God's focus has been the Gentile church. But the moment of the pretrib rapture, and TIME will go right back to the Jewish time to finish out the 70 weeks.

In other words, the Gentile church DOES NOT FIT into the 70th week which is written to be for the Jews.

You can hammer, you can rant, you can pound, you can post; but the Gentile church will NOT FIT into the Jewish time of the 70th week. That is JEWISH time. God's focus will be on the JEWS.

Now, having said that, if you are determined to see the Beast, commanded to take the mark, and lose your head, I believe God will honor your faith. My biggest question is, WHY lose your head, when God has made a way of escape? Have you never read?

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

The choice is before you: believe in the pretrib rapture and escape with the church - OUT of God's wrath and to your mansion in heaven. That way you will be there for the marriage and supper.

Or, you can continue as you are, get left behind, because that is what you are believing for, and either take the mark or lose your head.

I wonder which road you will take? Jesus is coming pretrib and will appear ONLY to those who are looking for Him. Can you honestly say you are looking for and expecting Him TOMORROW or TONIGHT?

where is Christ and all the saved Christians? Earth. WRONG! Jesus remains in heaven during the entire 70th week. That is POST means! He does not return to earth (to touch down) until AFTER the trib. So where is Jesus and where will the church be during the 70th week? In heaven. He said "where I am" when speaking of the homes He went to prepare. It is not "where I am" in the air above the earth. Where did He say He went? He went to the place where the mansions are made. That is where He "am."

LOL...you have not won that point.......we are just tired of repeats...that is arguing.

i found the definition of pre-trib in the Scripture

pre-trib: a claim that holds no life giving water for it does not come from God

It amazes me how after 3 months now, no one can find a scripture stating pre-trib rapture and yet you believe it to be true !!!

This is called delusion of grandeur

where is Christ and all the saved Christians? Earth. WRONG! Jesus remains in heaven during the entire 70th week. That is POST means! He does not return to earth (to touch down) until AFTER the trib. So where is Jesus and where will the church be during the 70th week? In heaven. He said "where I am" when speaking of the homes He went to prepare. It is not "where I am" in the air above the earth. Where did He say He went? He went to the place where the mansions are made. That is where He "am."

how can you possibly get to the marriage and supper which will be in heaven? You can't. Post-trib is a man made, non-biblical, Eisegesis filled nonsense doctrine. You have one scripture, stretched to the breaking point imagining that when God says "gathering" there can only be ONE and it MUST be Paul's gathering. Never mind where it gathers from. Never mind that the timing does not match. It says "gathering" so it MUST be Paul's gathering. Eisegesis all over post trib thinking!

Why not just believe Paul? He is the one who received the revelation of the rapture.

Rather, it is amazing how you ignore all pretrib proof shown. It seems you are determined to ignore God's escape plan, face the Beast, and lose your head. I believe God will honor your faith.

Once again, did Paul put the DAY before his rapture, or His rapture before the DAY?

Where does John start the Day of the Lord? In chapter 6 or in chapter 19?

You are still misrepresenting the passage. He spoke about the mansions in heaven BEFORE talking about coming to the believers on the Earth. He DID NOT say he would bring them back to heaven. You are inserting that into the verse which is called Eisegesis. There is NOTHING supporting a pre-trib rapture there.

What is your next supposed pre-trib proof text? I will show you how you are misunderstanding that one as well.

Where does the Lord say pre-trib rapture of His Elect in the Gospel?

Did you read Rev ch6 - all of it?

When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

You are not able to comprehend Revelation. In order to understand ch6 you must go on to ch7 -20

Revelation is in AGREEMENT with Matthew 24, 1Thess & 2Thess , 1John 2:14-19 , James ch5 , and the Prophets Noah,Daniel and Job.

Where does the Lord say pre-trib rapture of His Elect in the Gospel?

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Revelation is in AGREEMENT with Matthew 24, 1Thess & 2Thess , 1John 2:14-19 , James ch5 , and the Prophets Noah,Daniel and Job.

OK, let's see the verse the way you imagine it.

2 In my Father's house [in heaven] are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to [heaven to] prepare a place for you [in heaven].

3 And if I go [to heaven] and prepare a place for you [in heaven], I will come again [to the air], and receive you unto myself [in the air]; that where I am [going, on the earth], there [on the earth] ye may be also.

Is this really the intent of the author here? How silly it would be for Jesus to go to heaven to prepare places (abodes, mansions) for us, and then in the same passage ignore them and come to earth.

No, the intent of the author is this:

2 In my Father's house [in heaven] are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to [heaven to] prepare a place for you [in heaven]. 3 And if I go [to heaven] and prepare a place for you [in heaven], I will come again [to the air], and receive you unto myself [in the air]; that where I am [I AM IN HEAVEN], there [in heaven] ye may be also.

It seems you can ignore this perfect picture of a Groom coming to get His bride and take her to the homes he has prepared.

The same "I AM" word is used here:

Jhn 7:28 - Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: G1510 and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not. (In English we would be more likely to say "where I came from.")

Here is another use of the same word:

Jhn 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. G1510

It is a present tense verb because God is ALWAYS present tense. Where "am" (was) Jesus when He caused John to write? He was in heaven.

Taking the entire verse in context, I believe this fits a pretrib rapture just as it has been used for many years. I cannot justify ignoring His preparations of homes for His bride to just ignore then in the second half of the passage.

Why do you insist God must give it to you word for word? I could ask the same thing. "Where does the Lord say post-trib rapture of His Elect in the Gospel?" We have to work with WHAT IS WRITTEN. And we must approach the written word with NO PRECONCEPTIONS.

AGain I ask you the question you keep dodging: In Paul's classic rapture passage of 1 Thes. 4: did Paul put the rapture first before the DAY, or did He put the DAY first before the rapture?

Did John see this great crowd too large to number BEFORE the trib, or AFTER?

“How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” If these were 70th week martyrs, it would be a silly question: they would KNOW that God was already judging: they would know they were in the 70th week. It is very plain that these are church age martyrs.

If you understood John's chronology, you would know that Jesus took the book and began opening the seals as soon as He ascended - around 32 AD. We can be sure, Stephen was one of those martyrs. What is the TIMING of the 5th seal? Probably when Stephen was stoned.

I suspect you still don't know where we are NOW in Revelation. Many saints today IMAGINE we are between chapters 3 & 4. They are very mistaken.

Why do you persist by saying post trib is man-made? Are you read to give an account of your falsehood?
Do you not realize what you are saying of the LORD Jesus Christ who says:

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Why not believe Paul who said the same - 1 Thess & 2 Thess

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

OK, let's see the verse the way you imagine it.

2 In my Father's house [in heaven] are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to [heaven to] prepare a place for you [in heaven].

3 And if I go [to heaven] and prepare a place for you [in heaven], I will come again [to the air], and receive you unto myself [in the air]; that where I am [going, on the earth], there [on the earth] ye may be also.

Is this really the intent of the author here? How silly it would be for Jesus to go to heaven to prepare places (abodes, mansions) for us, and then in the same passage ignore them and come to earth

It seems you can ignore this perfect picture of a Groom coming to get His bride and take her to the homes he has prepared.

Yes, Paul shows us the rapture before Wrath, and that fits perfectly with Revelation: wrath starting at the 6th seal, and John seeing the church in heaven shortly after the 6th seal.

The prophets tell us that God has promised to gather of of the descendants of Jacob back to Israel, and Jesus shows us that gathering in His end time discourse.

Of course every end time passage agrees with every other. However, a posttrib rapture theory agrees with nothing in the scripture as far as I can see. Can you PROVE a posttrib rapture of the church with scripture?
Can you show us in scripture how the church will get to heaven in a posttrib rapture scenario?
Can you explain with scripture how Jesus will find sheep in natural bodies for the sheep and goat judgment in a posttrib rapture scenario?

I think you will find, if you can lay out scripture backing up a posttrib rapture, people would agree with you.

You keep quoting "“Immediately after the tribulation of those days" and relating it to Paul's rapture - as if they are the same timing. However, you have never provide ANY scriptural proof that the gathering in Matthew 24 is Paul's rapture. It cannot be for several reasons. First, the TIMING does not agree. Second, the ANGELS do not agree. Third, the gathering PLACE does not agree. Fourth, the signs in the sun and moon do not agree. I wonder, have you ever noticed all these points of disagreement? Perhaps you have never looked.

Dear Brother if you say pre-trib you are saying that the Lord Jesus Christ is lying. Are you comfortable with that?

These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” John 16

Matthew 24
Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you.
Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.

Acts 14
And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, 22strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying,
“We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.”

Revelation 2:10
Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’

Unplug your ears from the lie of pre-trib.

if you say pre-trib you are saying that the Lord Jesus Christ is lying. No! That is only your wild imagination. I am very comfortable with your wild imagination. I will try to steer you right, but you have to be willing.

In the world you will have tribulation Yes, of course! There has been 2000 years of combined tribulation. God called that "mega" in relation to the Great crowd too large to number - the raptured church seen in heaven. Have you ever read the commentaries on the words "these are those who have come out of great tribulation...?" John was not talking about the days of GT Jesus spoke of. He was talking about the daily tribulation the saints have been putting up with for 2000 years. Now that is MEGA!

However, that being said, when the Beast rules the word, and begins forcing people to bow to his image and receive His mark, then will come the days of GT Jesus spoke of, that will be greater than any other time ever in history or future.

Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you Did you get the timing for this phrase? Jesus said, "the end is not yet," meaning, He was talking church age then, NOT THE END TIMES. This has been happening to the Jews since Jesus said it.

Take off your preconceived glasses and allow the Word to speak: Paul places his gathering before the start of the DAY. That means the rapture MUST COME before the 6th seal. Paul said His rapture would come before wrath, and wrath starts with the DAY. Again, that is chapter 6, not chapter 19. I think you don't believe John.