How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

[oyster67]

No, he didn't. That is full Preterism and it's a heresy.

Jesus shall return to the planet Earth to rule and reign 1000 years. This takes place on the Earth, not in a cloud.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus shall return to the planet Earth to rule and reign 1000 years. This takes place on the Earth, not in a cloud.

Yes but your other statement used past tense which is why I disagreed. Future tense changes the entire statement.

 

[ewq1938]

I am not buying preterism here. Therefore heresy is negated. (a serious charge!!!!!).

Preterism is a view in Christian eschatology which holds that some or all of the biblical prophecies concerning the Last Days refer to events which took place in the first century after Christ's birth...

That doesn't fit.

Wrong. Any statement that the second coming has already happened is full Preterism. It appears the poster accidentally used a past tense verb in reference to the second coming and has since corrected the error.

 

[oyster67]

Yes but your other statement used past tense which is why I disagreed. Future tense changes the entire statement.

Yes, that was a flubber. I mistakenly used the wrong tense. Thank you for pointing that out and clearing things up.

 

[oyster67]

Lets try again...

Goooood Niiiiiight.......

 

[ewq1938]

Yes, that was a flubber. I mistakenly used the wrong tense. Thank you for pointing that out and clearing things up.

I wouldn't have even mentioned it had I already knew what your position was but sadly there are full preterists who actually do believe the second coming happened in the past so when I see such sentiments I address them.

 

[Absolutely]

Did you not read?
Rev. 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

I say this large group is the church, raptured just before wrath (6th seal) as Paul states.
If you don't believe this is the church, can you prove it is not by scripture?

"of all nations:" will the rapture include people of all nations? CHECK!
"of all kindreds:" will the rapture include people of all kindreds? CHECK!
"of all ...people and tongues:" will the rapture include people of all nations? CHECK!
"stood before the throne, and before the Lamb" Will the raptured church stand before the throne and the Lamb? CHECK!
"with white robes:" will the raptured church be given white robes? Without a doubt!

Just think: perhaps 50 generations of believers - billions upon billions of people in one place at one time. The raptured church will be by far the largest group mentioned in Revelation. Just to compare, it would take one person, counting one person every second, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, nearly 130 years to count to ONE billion. No wonder John said too large to count.

OF COURSE there will be a rapture before the timing of Revelation chapter 20 when John mentions the chief of two resurrections.

All the righteous will be a part of this first or chief of resurrections, Jesus included, around 2000 years ago.

I mostly agree

 

[DavidTree]

Actually, verse 4 includes more than the beheaded.

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them "
Who are these seen seated on thrones? They are both the OT and NT saints, all with resurrection bodies.

"and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded "
These are those who were left behind at the pretrib rapture but then turned to Christ, and then were captured by the Beast. They refused the mark and/or refused to bow to his image, so were beheaded.

"they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. "
WHO lived and reigned with Christ? Both groups of saints.

i said AMEN to this Post but did not see the ERROR/LIE of pre-trib rapture and another LIE of Left BEHIND Saints

 

[Absolutely]

i said AMEN to this Post but did not see the ERROR/LIE of pre-trib rapture and another LIE of Left BEHIND Saints

Nobody is lying.
Nobody.

That is just theater on your part

 

[DavidTree]

POST #2,962 is another serpent twisting corruption of Scripture

Learn from the error of those who worship idols

Never add to God' words like satan did in the Garden to Eve.

 

[DavidTree]

Nobody is lying.
Nobody.

That is just theater on your part

Complete LIES when anyone does the 'Serpent Twist' by adding to and taking away from God's words.

Now is the time to surrender your heart to the Lord so that HE can deliver you from the error of 'pre-trib'

There is a GREAT BLESSING of TRUTH and Sanctification awaiting for you from His Throne.

I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth.
As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world. For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Right! it is symbolic and prophetic - speaking of near future events such as Armageddon. God will not use a sickle at Armageddon.

The sickle and the winepress are in fact symbolic of the supernatural destruction and slaughter of the Antichrist and his armies by the spoken words of Christ (also symbolized by a sword going out of His mouth). What is literal is (a) the countless number of corpses to which the predatory birds are invited for a feast and (b) the river of blood which is 200 miles long and about five feet deep!

 

[Nehemiah6]

I am not afraid to say that His coming to Armageddon will be His third coming.

Armageddon is the first item on Christ's agenda at His Second Coming. Revelation 19. There are many other items after that.

 

[DavidTree]

Nobody is lying.
Nobody.

That is just theater on your part

The Holy Spirit says the LIE of pre-trib is a CANCER in the fellowship of Brethren.

But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort,
who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.

No one will be LEFT BEHIND

pre-trib pre-trib this is a fib
those words came not from ME says the LORD
but from those who think
the Scripture is their chess board
Big money to make
on this pre-trib fake
when the Preachers appeal to their lust
satan fully knows - "this is a must"
add to God's words or take away
satan knows, no other way
God's words are Truth and Life
Just ask Ruth - Boaz's Wife
HE will come for HER who is White
The marriage began with HIS Delight
HE endured the Cross for HER who is HIS
Resurrection before rapture i am sure of this
Apostle Paul did not say this amiss

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Holy Spirit says the LIE of pre-trib is a CANCER in the fellowship of Brethren.

Now you are going WAY BEYOND the limits of discussion, and setting up a straw man while becoming an accuser of the brethren. If you hate the Pre-Tribulation Rapture, tell the Lord that you hate it, even though He is the one who taught. But when you call it a lie and a cancer, you yourself have become a liar.

 

[DavidTree]

Armageddon is the first item on Christ's agenda at His Second Coming. Revelation 19. There are many other items after that.

The LORD is Coming with His Saints for Their Resurrection FIRST - 1 Thess 4:13-18

 

[DavidTree]

Now you are going WAY BEYOND the limits of discussion, and setting up a straw man while becoming an accuser of the brethren. If you hate the Pre-Tribulation Rapture, tell the Lord that you hate it, even though He is the one who taught. But when you call it a lie and a cancer, you yourself have become a liar.

Adding to God's words is SIN that those in the error of pre-trib walk in.

When you add to God's words and say "tribulation saints are left behind' you are spreading CANCER

The Holy Spirit warns us of this in 2 Timothy and 2 Thessalonians ch2

 

[Nehemiah6]

Adding to God's words is SIN that those in the error of pre-trib walk in. When you add to God's words and say "tribulation saints are left behind' you are spreading CANCER

That is YOUR assumption and presumption. But there are hundreds of thousands of Christians who would say that you are sinning by TAKING AWAY from God's Word. The real cancer is your evil-speaking. Therefore you should cease and desist and forever hold your peace.

 

[DavidTree]

Now you are going WAY BEYOND the limits of discussion, and setting up a straw man while becoming an accuser of the brethren. If you hate the Pre-Tribulation Rapture, tell the Lord that you hate it, even though He is the one who taught. But when you call it a lie and a cancer, you yourself have become a liar.

Scripture PROVES 'pre-trib' is a lie and a cancer, for it came from satan and never came out of the mouth of God.

This is why no one can find in Scripture a single verse that states 'Christ will pre-trib rapture His Bride/His Elect/His Saints.
Not one passage of Scripture from the LORD or the Apostles saying 'the rapture occurs BEFORE the First Resurrection.'

If i were to preach/teach pre-trib then i would be a liar.

i have always said: PROVE pre-trib - bring forth the Scripture - NO ONE has been able because it does not exist in Scripture.

These three Prophets of God, Noah Daniel and Job condemn the lie of pre-trib rapture.

 

[GaryA]

Question: why would you assume the gathering in Matthew 24 is Paul's rapture? It was Jesus talking to Jews about the end of THEIR age - proven by His mention of the abomination in the midst of the week. I think it is a very poor assumption.

I believe you have it a bit backwards...

Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy was/is about the 'Time of the Jews' ("THEIR age"); the Olivet Discourse was/is about the span of time between the First and Second Comings of Christ.