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News from heaven mentioned the feeding of the 5000. How great this story is but english translations add to a missing part of the story'
The baskets used to feed the 4 and 5 thousand were not the same. A spuris basket was used in feeding of the 4000 and a kophino basket is used in the feeding of the 5000. The spuris basket was a gentile basket and a kophino basket was jewish. Paul when in the gentile city of Damacus was let down over the wall in a spuris basket (gentile). And when Jesus fed the 5000 with kophino baskets they followed the Lord across the lake asking him questions only a jew would ask.
Even the creation story is in this miracle
The baskets used to feed the 4 and 5 thousand were not the same. A spuris basket was used in feeding of the 4000 and a kophino basket is used in the feeding of the 5000. The spuris basket was a gentile basket and a kophino basket was jewish. Paul when in the gentile city of Damacus was let down over the wall in a spuris basket (gentile). And when Jesus fed the 5000 with kophino baskets they followed the Lord across the lake asking him questions only a jew would ask.
Even the creation story is in this miracle
I agree with your evolution assessment. I am an intelligent design proponent.
I am also an old earth creationist as I disagree with the implications of YEC. Essentially, man can not dictate to what God should or must do. To agree with observations, God must do fantastically mundane things which is not acceptable. See
The surprising thing is the creep of evolutionism into the body of Christ. Neo-Darwinism because of criticism of its failures, went through a schism which they call the "synthesis". Ironic. Basically the string of related fields that proved naturalistic genesis of life was broken up to group of unrelated fields. It basically relies on science of the gaps (i.e. future science) to get funding (it is unfalsifiable and ridiculous). To me it is a clear sign of crisis in the theory.
But, in this crisis, the theory of evolution was adopted by Christians in a big way (i.e. Biologos, Pope Francis, various mainline churches). The schools are no longer the battleground, the battle is occurring in the church. The implication of evolution is the relegation of Adam to an allegory (see Dennis Venema and "Adam and the genome".
I am also an old earth creationist as I disagree with the implications of YEC. Essentially, man can not dictate to what God should or must do. To agree with observations, God must do fantastically mundane things which is not acceptable. See
The surprising thing is the creep of evolutionism into the body of Christ. Neo-Darwinism because of criticism of its failures, went through a schism which they call the "synthesis". Ironic. Basically the string of related fields that proved naturalistic genesis of life was broken up to group of unrelated fields. It basically relies on science of the gaps (i.e. future science) to get funding (it is unfalsifiable and ridiculous). To me it is a clear sign of crisis in the theory.
But, in this crisis, the theory of evolution was adopted by Christians in a big way (i.e. Biologos, Pope Francis, various mainline churches). The schools are no longer the battleground, the battle is occurring in the church. The implication of evolution is the relegation of Adam to an allegory (see Dennis Venema and "Adam and the genome".
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If the universe is all we can observe, taste, hear and touch, are they not valid factoids of the existence of universe. As the universe is created by God, then are they not valid factoids of Existence of God. There many nuances that can be quoted (see debate between Danny Faulkner (YEC Answers in Genesis) and Hugh Ross (OEC Reasons to Believe). See post #165.
The one that clinches it for me is the age of light, if observation of the age of the light is to be accepted and the universe is only ~6000 years old, it would imply a thing growing at the speed of light and filtering the light to look old. The image of the heavenly host being fixer uppers is too jarring to accept.
Are the universe and Scripture at odds? No as we agreed. Is the verse wrong? Definitely no. That leaves the interpretation.
YECs are correct to say י֥וֹם means 24hours. OECs say the root can be used in epoch, indefinite period of time. I think both are incorrect. YEC is too literal, and OEC too imprecise. Is God Literal? Is God Imprecise? No, God is Literary.
And there was evening and there was morning - day ....
As a day (yom with squiggle) is literally night and day, there is the redundancy in meaning in the sentence. It is used exactly 6 times and in Gen 1. This is a stipulative definition - a literary device to redefine terms. In technical reports, there is a section called nomenclature. It defines all the symbols. If you were to copy paste from a different source with a different nomenclature you would redefine only for that section. It stipulates a definition for that specific section. The day is whatever God wants it to be.
The one that clinches it for me is the age of light, if observation of the age of the light is to be accepted and the universe is only ~6000 years old, it would imply a thing growing at the speed of light and filtering the light to look old. The image of the heavenly host being fixer uppers is too jarring to accept.
Are the universe and Scripture at odds? No as we agreed. Is the verse wrong? Definitely no. That leaves the interpretation.
YECs are correct to say י֥וֹם means 24hours. OECs say the root can be used in epoch, indefinite period of time. I think both are incorrect. YEC is too literal, and OEC too imprecise. Is God Literal? Is God Imprecise? No, God is Literary.
And there was evening and there was morning - day ....
As a day (yom with squiggle) is literally night and day, there is the redundancy in meaning in the sentence. It is used exactly 6 times and in Gen 1. This is a stipulative definition - a literary device to redefine terms. In technical reports, there is a section called nomenclature. It defines all the symbols. If you were to copy paste from a different source with a different nomenclature you would redefine only for that section. It stipulates a definition for that specific section. The day is whatever God wants it to be.
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I believe in miracles
I believe God created the light we see at night for man to use when man was placed on this earth
I believe God has the power to create the star a billion of light years away, Yet have that light shine on earth the day it was created.
I believe, like he turned water into wine. and rose men from the dead. and the fact he could turn a rock into bread in a day, God is not limited to science and he can do what he wants to
I believe God created the light we see at night for man to use when man was placed on this earth
I believe God has the power to create the star a billion of light years away, Yet have that light shine on earth the day it was created.
I believe, like he turned water into wine. and rose men from the dead. and the fact he could turn a rock into bread in a day, God is not limited to science and he can do what he wants to
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The image of universe should include the Wisdom of God. Would God create a universe that requires his constant attention? Did He not rest on the 7th day? Why must God change His Schedule to accommodate the seasons of man?
It is true He Can do miracles. But why must He 24/7? Faith should not test the Divine.
My faith drives my intellect. My intellect does not drive my faith. God is not limited to science, but only through truth can one see the Workings of God.
It is true He Can do miracles. But why must He 24/7? Faith should not test the Divine.
My faith drives my intellect. My intellect does not drive my faith. God is not limited to science, but only through truth can one see the Workings of God.
