Earth Age

[true_believer]

100,000 years is a far-cry from millions upon millions.

That's how long humans have been here. That's a fraction of the Earth's actual age.

Do you really think all those who believe that the earth is younger also believe in a flat earth or are you just being flippant?

It's a comparison of how credible such a theory is.

 

[Dino246]

It's a comparison of how credible such a theory is.

We believe in a God Who created the entire universe out of nothing whatsoever, Who made seas stand up like a wall, Who destroyed a region with a hail of burning sulphur, Who spoke prophecy thousands of years before it was fulfilled to the letter, Who came in the flesh, died, and was resurrected from the dead.

If you want to argue what is “credible”, you have bigger issues.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

It's a comparison of how credible such a theory is.

Flippancy then.

 

[News_from_Heaven]

That's one thing I've wondered about.

Before his fall, man was eternal was he not? And there is no time in eternity. So, how does one count the years between creation and the fall, when years did not exist at that point?

I don't know how old Adam was at the time of the fall, but Genesis 5 gives an account of the family line from Adam to Noah. Adam had a son Seth at 130 years old, which starts the family tree.

 

[Omegatime]

Adam was made of the earth, does that not make him mortal?????????

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

I guess you missed the part wher Get d holds creation together which his hands
anyway we were talking about the creation act not what happened after

If you mean Col 1:17, you misunderstand the "up hold" translation. It means basically "stand united" rather than atlas-like holding up the world.

Again I am a OEC (old earth creationist). My objections to YEC is their cosmology which implies that God made a flawed universe. If God says its good, it is good.

 

[JTB]

Adam was made of the earth, does that not make him mortal?????????

Before the fall there was infirmity or death.

 

[JTB]

I don't know how old Adam was at the time of the fall, .

But again that's a question... before the fall there was nothing to make you age, get sick, or die. There was no "time" as we understand it. I don't think one can say "Adam was x years old at the fall", because years didn't exist prior to it.

 

[soberxp]

China's history is only recorded for 5000 years, so why not the 6000 years of the Bible?

 

[BonnieClaire]

That's one thing I've wondered about.

Before his fall, man was eternal was he not?

Judging by your question, it sounds like man's eternal life got cut a bit short by the fall and wasn't all that eternal to begin with.

And there is no time in eternity. So, how does one count the years between creation and the fall, when years did not exist at that point?

That's right, there are no years between creation and the fall...that's just a fantasy for those who try to reconcile evolution and creation.

 

[true_believer]

Flippancy then.

The irony is that your accusation of flippancy is actually flippant itself.

 

[true_believer]

We believe in a God Who created the entire universe out of nothing whatsoever, Who made seas stand up like a wall, Who destroyed a region with a hail of burning sulphur, Who spoke prophecy thousands of years before it was fulfilled to the letter, Who came in the flesh, died, and was resurrected from the dead.

If you want to argue what is “credible”, you have bigger issues.

You are doing a Ravi Zacharias "word salad" and not addressing the issue of the Earth's age.

 

[Dino246]

This video is about two hours long. The title adequately explains the content.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you mean Col 1:17, you misunderstand the "up hold" translation. It means basically "stand united" rather than atlas-like holding up the world.

Again I am a OEC (old earth creationist). My objections to YEC is their cosmology which implies that God made a flawed universe. If God says its good, it is good.

Your OEC means you limit God and his power. And play to the evolutionists.

GIF said he created in 6 days and it was good. I believe him
as for Col 1. It literal means the whole point inverse stands together in place and he holds them there

 

[Dino246]

You are doing a Ravi Zacharias "word salad" and not addressing the issue of the Earth's age.

You don't find the young earth view credible, but if you claim to be a Christian, you already believe in things that are far less credible from a "scientific" point of view.

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

Your OEC means you limit God and his power. And play to the evolutionists.

GIF said he created in 6 days and it was good. I believe him
as for Col 1. It literal means the whole point inverse stands together in place and he holds them there

That which "limits" God, is our existence and His Loving the world. The universe is the way it is because we are in it and require it to be this way to exist. Not because of a primitive cosmology in which He must do continual renovations.
Do you not have a car? Cellphone? Have you ever flown in an airplane? They are products of the very ideas you deny having truth. The Spirit of Truth must pervade every aspect or be a hypocrite in that aspect.
Again, I am an intelligent design proponent. It is ironic, though that every theistic evolutionist with whom I have argued, states the YECs are the reason of their vocal display. How can you say we play the evolutionist?

Again, the Scriptures are words. You hinge the universe on a word. I base mine on a phrase and grammar. I too believe - in 6 epochs. While you must endure discord with science, I do not.

Col 1:17 describes Jesus as the lynchpin between all. Only through Jesus will you meet God. Jesus is head of the church. Jesus is the Firstborn, Eldest Son of God who we should follow.

Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
"consist" is (according to Biblehub)
Strong's Concordance 4921. sunistémi and sunistanó
Definition: to commend, establish, stand near, consist
Usage: I place together, commend, prove, exhibit; instrans: I stand with; I am composed of, cohere.

Examples of Strong's 4921 in NT
Luke 9:32 KJV: the two men that stood with him.
Romans 3:5 KJV: unrighteousness commend the righteousness
Romans 5:8 KJV: But God commendeth his love
Romans 16:1 KJV: I commend unto you Phebe
2 Corinthians 3:1 KJV: again to commend ourselves?
2 Corinthians 4:2 KJV: of the truth commending ourselves
2 Corinthians 5:12 KJV: For we commend not ourselves
2 Corinthians 6:4 KJV: in all [things] approving ourselves as
2 Corinthians 7:11 KJV: all [things] ye have approved yourselves
2 Corinthians 10:12 KJV: with some that commend themselves: but
2 Corinthians 10:18 KJV: not he that commendeth himself is
2 Corinthians 10:18 KJV: whom the Lord commendeth.
2 Corinthians 12:11 KJV: I ought to have been commended of you:
Galatians 2:18 KJV: I destroyed, I make myself
Colossians 1:17 KJV: him all things consist.
2 Peter 3:5 KJV: the earth standing out of

You have a primitive understanding of the bible. Is Jesus comparable to a greek titan atlas who holds the world? How about a hindu turtle who holds an elephant who holds the world? You demean the Glory of God to that of primitive paganism.

Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

 

[Dino246]

Again, the Scriptures are words. You hinge the universe on a word. I base mine on a phrase and grammar. I too believe - in 6 epochs. While you must endure discord with science, I do not.

There is no discord between YEC and science. There is between YEC and the naturalistic presumptions which underlie much of modern science.

I would encourage you to go through the video I posted previously.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That which "limits" God, is our existence and His Loving the world. The universe is the way it is because we are in it and require it to be this way to exist. Not because of a primitive cosmology in which He must do continual renovations.
Do you not have a car? Cellphone? Have you ever flown in an airplane? They are products of the very ideas you deny having truth. The Spirit of Truth must pervade every aspect or be a hypocrite in that aspect.
Again, I am an intelligent design proponent. It is ironic, though that every theistic evolutionist with whom I have argued, states the YECs are the reason of their vocal display. How can you say we play the evolutionist?

Again, the Scriptures are words. You hinge the universe on a word. I base mine on a phrase and grammar. I too believe - in 6 epochs. While you must endure discord with science, I do not.

Col 1:17 describes Jesus as the lynchpin between all. Only through Jesus will you meet God. Jesus is head of the church. Jesus is the Firstborn, Eldest Son of God who we should follow.

Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
"consist" is (according to Biblehub)
Strong's Concordance 4921. sunistémi and sunistanó
Definition: to commend, establish, stand near, consist
Usage: I place together, commend, prove, exhibit; instrans: I stand with; I am composed of, cohere.

Examples of Strong's 4921 in NT
Luke 9:32 KJV: the two men that stood with him.
Romans 3:5 KJV: unrighteousness commend the righteousness
Romans 5:8 KJV: But God commendeth his love
Romans 16:1 KJV: I commend unto you Phebe
2 Corinthians 3:1 KJV: again to commend ourselves?
2 Corinthians 4:2 KJV: of the truth commending ourselves
2 Corinthians 5:12 KJV: For we commend not ourselves
2 Corinthians 6:4 KJV: in all [things] approving ourselves as
2 Corinthians 7:11 KJV: all [things] ye have approved yourselves
2 Corinthians 10:12 KJV: with some that commend themselves: but
2 Corinthians 10:18 KJV: not he that commendeth himself is
2 Corinthians 10:18 KJV: whom the Lord commendeth.
2 Corinthians 12:11 KJV: I ought to have been commended of you:
Galatians 2:18 KJV: I destroyed, I make myself
Colossians 1:17 KJV: him all things consist.
2 Peter 3:5 KJV: the earth standing out of

You have a primitive understanding of the bible. Is Jesus comparable to a greek titan atlas who holds the world? How about a hindu turtle who holds an elephant who holds the world? You demean the Glory of God to that of primitive paganism.

Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

your god is weak and limited
my God speaks things into creation
your old earth falling into the trap of evolutionary design has cause
Many to reject god
peope reject god because they want nothing to do with him not because people believe in an old earth or young earth
you want a god that needs to wait. Take him
again my God speaks things into creation and they are good

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

your god is weak and limited
my God speaks things into creation
your old earth falling into the trap of evolutionary design has cause
Many to reject god
peope reject god because they want nothing to do with him not because people believe in an old earth or young earth
you want a god that needs to wait. Take him
again my God speaks things into creation and they are good

Evolution has no design by its very definition.
As for the many falling away, Matthew 7:3 "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" How do you explain your rejection of science while using technology derived from the very science. Seekers asking questions are met with self-serving prose of the teacher. Who would not be satisfied with your worldview.

Have a good day. I leave the last words to you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Evolution has no design by its very definition.
As for the many falling away, Matthew 7:3 "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" How do you explain your rejection of science while using technology derived from the very science. Seekers asking questions are met with self-serving prose of the teacher. Who would not be satisfied with your worldview.

Have a good day. I leave the last words to you.

I don’t reject science
My friend
I just believe God spoke and it was.