PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE GET THE COVID SHOT.

If he is right then we are going to see an explosion in people getting cancer over the next 12 months.

And none of this has been demonstrated so what's your point?

Many people have also testified to seeing Bigfoot but unless they can show me a picture of Bigfoot I don't believe it

No, it isn't! You have no idea what you are saying!

During a clinical trial of any vaccine the researcher is required to document every single death whether or not it is related. They will use this data in a variety of ways. For example, if the death rate doubles after getting the vaccine even though you cannot see any discernible link it would be a major red flag.

These vaccines are EUA (emergency use authorization). When we do that it means that every person getting the vaccine under this is in a clinical trial. We haven't done 12 years of study. We don't know how this will impact us especially since it is reprogramming the mRNA. We need to list every single person. Sure, if they died in a car accident it seems unrelated, but if all of a sudden people dying from car accidents after being vaccinated spikes 200% that is a major red flag.

EUA vaccines are Clinical trials for every person getting vaccinated. They should be treated as such.

Your point is stupid if you can't see the difference between an overweight 80 year old with 5 comorbidities, some very serious, and an 18 year old whose heart enlarges, and he's full of clots, til he dies after getting the lethal injection.

Yeah but the death rate didn't double after getting the vaccine so what's your point? I haven't seen you make a logical argument throughout this entire exchange

My point is that under normal circumstances we would test a vaccine out for 12 years. We would find out if there are long term health consequences like myocarditis or cancer. Obviously any long term health consequence would be "unintended" and therefore "unexpected" and "unanticipated". As a result we document everything and using statistical analysis determine if there were any significant signs of health risks. We don't "prove" them at this point in time, we merely document, analyze, and identify potential risks. It is possible that some completely unrelated factor affected our study, we will determine that at a later date and perhaps adjust our conclusions. But at this point, during clinical trials, we are looking for any warning signs, and the way we look for them is to document everything.

We have evidence of myocarditis, that will increase the death rate dramatically over a time frame of 10 years. We have evidence of a huge spike in cancers, that also will increase the death rate in a time frame of several years. We only have about 8 months of data on this vaccine at most, and for large numbers of people it is really less than 6 months. At this point Israel is the tip of the spear since they were the most aggressive country at getting everyone vaccinated early.

It's a SARS virus.
SARS virus technology is decades old. It's not like this is something brand new

Correlation is a great place to look when trying to determine causation. I am not trying to completely remove any instance of correlation but rather maintaining a standard that just because something correlates, it does not make it the cause.

As stated previously, virtually 100% of people who have accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior have eventually died. 100% is a pretty high correlation rate... nevertheless, their dying is irrelevant to their faith. Maybe you think the vaccine or covid contributed to the 200% increase in car accidents... but it does not prove causation. We need a standard of proof.

However, that said, I expect our professional athletes to be the canary in the coal mine. They are all vaccinated, they are all in excellent shape, and they all have to perform at peak condition. If any serious health conditions arose I would expect to see it in them long before they die. We have over 1,000 NFL players, throw in MLB, NBA, Soccer, Tennis, Olympic athletes, College athletes, I expect we have well over 10,000 people. We should easily be able to monitor how many can no longer play and compare this with previous years. A year from now if there is no change from the average I would have much more confidence in the vaccine.

I would argue that the mandate should be postponed for one year based on the multiple concerns worldwide. Explain to the world that the athletes will be the guinea pigs, we'll know in one year if there is a spike in adverse health effects.

previously every SARS mRNA vaccine failed in clinical trials. Being cautious with this one is perfectly reasonable.

This still doesn't prove causation. I fully understand skepticism over the vaccine. I don't think it's as irrational as some other people would. But there is a difference between being skepticism and spreading information as if it's fact (saying definitively it's the reason people died).

I agree with all of this. But it all begins with gathering the data and documenting it.

A person who seems healthy and dies a week after getting a vaccine is not proof the vaccine caused it. But we are in the clinical trial phase. During the clinical trial phase you need to document everything, this way we can determine if there is cause for alarm with simple statistical analysis. We will know there is an issue long before we figure out why there is an issue.

The fact that we don't have proof is therefore not a basis to not document, gather the data, and investigate further before mandating to everyone.

Newspaper. Bye

I agree. That was the whole point of VAERS though. However, people think they are lying and corrupt which means we can't trust any health experts. If we can't trust any health experts, why should we trust these conspiracy theorists who make podcasts and videos declaring it's for sure the vaccine killing people?

Not entirely. The numbers that are showing up on VAERS are enough to kill any other vaccine ever approved and yet they have gone ahead and approved this one. That is one of the issues. So even if it isn't hiding data it doesn't make sense that they are approving this thing and then mandating it.

That said there are many doctors and nurses complaining that they are not documenting everything or that when they try to document it they are told not to, or that when they document it the system is rejecting it.

Imagine someone said that people who play sports often like to drink sports drinks like Gatorade etc
And then they said that people who play sports off and have knee injuries
So this puts the correlation between the sports drink and the knee injury. Can we conclude that sports drinks cause knee injuries? Of course not

This is from a comment from another site. I think he could be right:


“The boosters are the kill shot.

But not all of the shots contain the same ingredients. Some have a placebo, some have minor amounts of the mRNA and some have much more.

That's why only some people are dying/having reactions and others are not. But the boosters will consist of far greater amount of mRNA and less placebos.

They want to time the boosters to the Fall flu season so they can blame the flu and the unvaxed for the deaths that will follow. That's also why the urgent push to vax everyone so the boosters can proceed as planned.”

according to cnbc, Israel was 62% fully vaccinated as of aug. 30.

according to worldmeters. net, which updates daily every country on earth's covid count , Israel has had between 5000 and 9000 new cases daily since aug. 10

so, you might want to do your own research instead of fact- check websites. they all lie.