Have churches become too reliant on recovery programs and psychology/psychiatry?

My personal experience with the church is different from yours and I am happy for you. When I return to church it will be to worship God and to receive Holy Communion. I like the hymns if they are reverent. As far as the Pastor, he is just a human, like me.

I see through your attempts to twist the conversation to your benefit.

If you care to read back, you will see that I wasn't the one who brought up the subject.

I am well aware of that.

It is good to hear your input on this subject. Although I do go to a doctor when I truly need to, it is not uncommon for me to do as they say at first.
What I mean is, when I was first diagnosed with a bone deterioration ailment, the doctor gave me something for the pain. It gagged me with one dose and I have not taken more again. Some natural ways of treating the entire body instead of a symptom has helped me immensely. The same holds true for when statins were given me. The side effects were so prominent I could only take one dose,. I resorted again to whole body treatment instead of treading cholesterol alone, and my following update at the doctor showed no cholesterol.
I could go on, but I am already getting beyone the bore level.
If I knew one, I would go to and M.D. who treats the entire body and not the sympoms but I think they went out with the horse and buggy.
Now for some green tea and no sugar.. that was my last change for you probably gueed it already.
God bless you and keep up the good works.

I think of this disturbed man I probably would be sent to round the clock therapy in an institution and shot full of mind numbing meds theses days but God is a better healer and deliverer surely where faith is lost this won’t be considered

“And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains: Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.

And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.

But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him. Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭5:2-9, 15, 18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This mentally disturbed man met Jesus the healer and deliverer of man and it turned out he didn’t need therapy , incarceration , chemical mutations of brain function , but the source of his issues were purely spiritual in nature and he simply needed to meet the lord and acknowledge him

just as today folks think this is foolishness , in those days they rejected it because of fear. Many things of the world seek after our faith and attempt to replace what we trust in meds , doctors and therapists ….

in the entire Bible it seems like God can deal with any and every issue man has if we look to him for the solutions

Depression as other ailments isn’t a problem. It’s the symptom of a problem. The church is just as guilty misdiagnosing problems as the world is. The poor lady was seemingly a Christian who was married to a seemingly Christian man. They were active in their faith. By all evidence they had Christ in their lives. What they also had was horrible information from the church. Christ doesn’t solve our problems. Faith in Christ gives us access to supernaturally endowed wisdom to solve our problems. She didn’t need to read the Bible that tells Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply. That’s what He told them, not us. We need to utilize our Holy Spirit resource to determine what God wants and plans for us individually. My goodness, three youngsters can drive you nuts. Six in five years is obviously tragic. I’ve witnessed how the hormones mess with logic and have seen postpartum depression up close. She never had time to bounce back. Sad…just sad.

to say that LGBTQ is ungodly is no more judgment to drunkness is ungodly.

i can give you a whole list of prescription meds that people have taken, that Ive even taken that practically poison your body

I have even been told by doctors that the meds they prescribed for me have possible side effects and that I could kill myself with them!

Thank the Lord He set me free!

as for painKILLERS well they are the worst...I supoose if you want to support the drug industry, by all means consume as many opiates as you can.

Today, they are called "functional practitioners" or will be under an umbrella of "Functional Medicine". They're still out there and their numbers are growing. For serious matters I go to a physician who was classically trained but began functional medicine when his friend was cured of sickle-cell anemia.

Yes, I totally agree. I just don't believe it's too late to sound a warning. Maybe it will prevent others from following this same course.

I agree with you about the church being a rock for everyone, especially the depressed.

However, I don't believe depression is a mental illness. Psychiatry has made it a mental illness and built a whole cash-cow industry around it. Depression is normal, but if a person thinks they now have a mental illness and need to depend on Dr.s and medication, it just makes things worse.

I do believe there are genuine mental illnesses but depression isn't one of them. It's basically like saying alcoholism and drug addiction are diseases.

Good points.

I'm confused. I've been lurking in this conversation and wonder how Gender Issues got into it? Psychologists think it is real and there are lots of different positions on it. The churches have been condemning about it. Just listening in.

I think that most Depressive Conditions come from loss, or unfulfilled desires. Drugs might help temporarily but should be very short term. The church if they would step up to the plate with real understanding could do better than the Psychological community and drugs. I feel sad that most don't.

Now, in the case of Bipolar and Schizophrenia and some others are serious and you don't just pray that away, and anyone who thinks so is dangerous, IMHO Sometimes there is simply a legitimate mental breakdown and handled with compassion and love, and perhaps short term drugs, it can be remedied. I would not want to be standing close to anyone who says it is daemon oppression.

Using the REPLY function is really easy, but for some reason you seem to be having trouble with it. Click the button, wait for the system to prepare the post, and then start typing on the next blank line. If you delete anything, you'll likely mess it up... as you have done here.

The words are "unisex" and "rationalization". There is no evidence in Scripture that demons are "unisex", and you're trying to avoid admitting that you are wrong.

Sarcastically, I am happy that you feel so secure in your knowledge.

GRRRRR. There are those who are terrorized by one parent or the other and that can influence Gender. The churches have been criminally useless in that area. Feminism and the LGBT group muddy the water. I feel nothing but compassion for the abused who later turn to a life a crime. There are Christian groups who operate rescue houses but I do not know what their success figures are.

k neither [male or female now that is in the bible]I been wrong like a septillion times 1000000000000000000000000 or 1 followed by 24 zeros