Have churches become too reliant on recovery programs and psychology/psychiatry?

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Katia

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k neither [male or female now that is in the bible]I been wrong like a septillion times 1000000000000000000000000 or 1 followed by 24 zeros
Look at Isa. 56:4-5, and MaTT 19:12. In my opinion, Intersex are created by God.
 
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Look at Isa. 56:4-5, and MaTT 19:12. In my opinion, Intersex are created by God.
Mat 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Isa. 56:5 even 2 them i give my house &within my wall a place and a name better than of sons and daughters:I will give them an everlasting name that shall not b cut off.[In the red is some Hebrew humor]
 
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Dino246

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GRRRRR. There are those who are terrorized by one parent or the other and that can influence Gender. The churches have been criminally useless in that area. Feminism and the LGBT group muddy the water. I feel nothing but compassion for the abused who later turn to a life a crime. There are Christian groups who operate rescue houses but I do not know what their success figures are.
Was the "GRRRRR" directed at me or at the problem? I don't think you and I disagree on this matter.
 

Katia

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Was the "GRRRRR" directed at me or at the problem? I don't think you and I disagree on this matter.
I'm sorry, at the problem. I am much more acquainted with the issues than I wanted to be.
 
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Every thing happens 4 a reason.people must suffer what they must suffer.There an infinite amount of thing that will destroy our body...of course r soul r more important.
 

Katia

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Every thing happens 4 a reason.people must suffer what they must suffer.There an infinite amount of thing that will destroy our body...of course r soul r more important.
I agree, and I am sorry that I am touchy and emotional about this. To say more would be oversharing. These days I cling to God and work at being pleasing to him. God knows me but I can't trust people. The Psychological folk took liberties they should not have. There is no going back except to rely on God.
 

EnglishChick

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Just my opinion here:
I was diagnosed with CPTSD (Childhood Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) years ago and recovery has been a long long trudge. In my opinion, church going Christians have not been helpful in the remotest sense. I've forgiven those who committed unspeakable crimes against me, but the effects still trigger me at times. I am the only one of my family that is not dead from Alcohol or substance abuse.

Frankly if I go into a church and the music is Rock, and the Pastor shouts emotionally, I will leave and not come back.

Some of us have chemical imbalances and religion does not solve it all. God created Doctors and the means to heal people. To tell a Schizophrenia sufferer or Bipolar that Jesus will fix it is offensively cruel.

Yes this has been my experience too . CPTSD, Borderline PD, eating disorders and OCD. God has used a mixture of direct healing and deliverance therapy and recovery programmes. In fact, He led me to them.

As long as they don't contradict the Bible, and I am careful to filter out the elements that do, it is fine to use these.
 

JohnDB

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"Do you want to be well?" (John 5)

A seemingly odd question for a lame man asked by Jesus...or is it?

We usually assume that people want to be healed and be made healthy. That's not actually a good idea.

There's a lot of people who refuse to believe that they are sick. Or.... know that they are sick but don't want to be well...but claim they do the whole time.

Psychology does work for those who want to be well... unfortunately we have a lot of mental health patients practicing as mental health professionals. (Which doesn't help at all)

The role of religious leadership inside of a church is a thankless task. A whole family pays the price for the Dad's calling...just ask the Billy Graham family.
 

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"Do you want to be well?" (John 5)

A seemingly odd question for a lame man asked by Jesus...or is it?

We usually assume that people want to be healed and be made healthy. That's not actually a good idea.

There's a lot of people who refuse to believe that they are sick. Or.... know that they are sick but don't want to be well...but claim they do the whole time.

Psychology does work for those who want to be well... unfortunately we have a lot of mental health patients practicing as mental health professionals. (Which doesn't help at all)

The role of religious leadership inside of a church is a thankless task. A whole family pays the price for the Dad's calling...just ask the Billy Graham family.
Brilliant answer
 
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I agree, and I am sorry that I am touchy and emotional about this. To say more would be oversharing. These days I cling to God and work at being pleasing to him. God knows me but I can't trust people. The Psychological folk took liberties they should not have. There is no going back except to rely on God.
If you are emotional, you have not found God. That is your issue. Take drugs, or accept God, your choice. God gives calm. Nothing phase you, no overwhelming.
 

CS1

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Yes they have.