Have churches become too reliant on recovery programs and psychology/psychiatry?

[Katia]

Sometimes?

Allow for the possibility that Doctors and Medications ARE God's solution.

 

[rayzor]

Just my opinion here: Often we need to listen to people express their pain and try to be compassionate. Just shoving them away and saying Jesus will fix it is so cold and uncaring.

Nobody remembers right motive and fasting breaks every bond?That this kind goes out only buy prayer & fasting.

 

[rayzor]

Allow for the possibility that Doctors and Medications ARE God's solution.

doctors should b going 2 the saints not the other way around.Sounds good at surface level but it is not honest doctrine.

 

[Aaron56]

Certain organizations are quite medication oriented to the point that I think it becomes destructive. Some combinations of drugs can exacerbate Depression, and Gender issues. Drugs are often not the best remedy. Sometimes reaching into our past and following the words of Jesus the Christ in giving forgiveness is better.

I agree.

At one point, when AD/HD was all the craze, nearly 25% of all students were on some kind of medication for the disorder. Worldwide, rates were closer to 3.5%. Over-medication, especially in the US, is a major problem. Some of it stems from being only one of two countries in the world who allow pharmaceutical companies to directly market to the people.

 

[Lanolin]

Just my opinion here: Often we need to listen to people express their pain and try to be compassionate. Just shoving them away and saying Jesus will fix it is so cold and uncaring.

no actually you dont shoo them away
you cast out the demon not the person lol

its seems you dont understand what delieverance is. And nobody SHOVES anybody in delieverance.

 

[Katia]

I agree.

At one point, when AD/HD was all the craze, nearly 25% of all students were on some kind of medication for the disorder. Worldwide, rates were closer to 3.5%. Over-medication, especially in the US, is a major problem. Some of it stems from being only one of two countries in the world who allow pharmaceutical companies to directly market to the people.

For me to tell more would be over sharing and unwise. I've experienced overmedication for a short time. Finally in 2008 I started to titrate off them. I'm very reluctant about drugs now. Sometimes you survive really awful things and it takes time to recover.

 

[Katia]

no actually you dont shoo them away
you cast out the demon not the person lol

its seems you dont understand what delieverance is. And nobody SHOVES anybody in delieverance.

You assume much.

 

[rayzor]

I agree.

At one point, when AD/HD was all the craze, nearly 25% of all students were on some kind of medication for the disorder. Worldwide, rates were closer to 3.5%. Over-medication, especially in the US, is a major problem. Some of it stems from being only one of two countries in the world who allow pharmaceutical companies to directly market to the people.

Because Superficially as a group it's about making money. More then helping people 2 heal.But we know that is darkness that try 2 amp evil motivation part..and 2 weaken r conscious

 

[Nehemiah6]

What do you mean "It's far too late?"

There can be no "fixing" of the problems within churches and denominations which have chosen to be non-biblical and adopted humanistic or worldly ideas and ideologies. Once they choose to go off the rails, they never come back. If you don't believe this write a letter to one of the pastors who are involved and see what kind of response you get.

Write to Christianity Today and ask them why they have become Leftist when there was no reason to do so.
Franklin Graham: Christianity Today is Leftist Magazine
https://www.toddstarnes.com/politics/franklin-graham-christianity-today-is-leftist-magazine/

 

[Aaron56]

For me to tell more would be over sharing and unwise. I've experienced overmedication for a short time. Finally in 2008 I started to titrate off them. I'm very reluctant about drugs now. Sometimes you survive really awful things and it takes time to recover.

Yes, of course. Most medications are like that: they only deal with the symptom and not the cause if the issue. In my practice, if anyone was on medication I encouraged them to seek help for their internal healing.

I'm sorry you had to got through that. Is is too often a common occurrence in the States.

 

[Nehemiah6]

But Science has no answer to the Battle of Demonic Oppression.

Mental health "professionals" have been dishonest all along by refusing to take the spirit world into consideration when dealing with mental health issues. Of course, unless they were genuine Christians, they would not be able to understand the devices of Satan. And pastors -- who should be addressing these issues -- have failed to do what they have been called to do (in many cases). So the end result is medication and pill-popping, which does not resolve anything. Neither does so-called "counseling".

 

[Katia]

Yes, of course. Most medications are like that: they only deal with the symptom and not the cause if the issue. In my practice, if anyone was on medication I encouraged them to seek help for their internal healing.

I'm sorry you had to got through that. Is is too often a common occurrence in the States.

Thank you.

 

[Katia]

Mental health "professionals" have been dishonest all along by refusing to take the spirit world into consideration when dealing with mental health issues. Of course, unless they were genuine Christians, they would not be able to understand the devices of Satan. And pastors -- who should be addressing these issues -- have failed to do what they have been called to do (in many cases). So the end result is medication and pill-popping, which does not resolve anything. Neither does so-called "counseling".

So much of the "Christian" vocabulary makes me uneasy and seems crazy or retarded. I was deeply involved in Christianity and made missionary trips. Perhaps Decompression Sessions should have been available when we returned? The stress was really soul wrenching.

When I had my breakdown, the church did not know how to deal with it and accused me of being deep in sin. I've forgiven them, but I'll never forget.

 

[Blik]

In the Christian News forum there's a recent thread about the wife of a pastor of a California megachurch who committed suicide. A link in the thread leads to an article which states: "Hilken had taken her life after suffering from mental health troubles."

I don't want to make light of the tragedy of this situation or the pain it has caused all those involved; however, it does make me think about how reliant the church has become on mental health professionals and recovery programs. I realize there may be situations where a person needs professional help, but is depression one of them? It seems to me, depression is an problem that the love of Christ was tailor-made for.

If Jesus came that we might have life, and that more abundantly, why the need for all kinds of human programs when we already have "the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes"? (Romans 1:16)

Should churches continue to be reliant on these humanistic methods or should it start to detach?

If you make a careful study of the history of the church, there was a tremendous change in the church when Constantine became the church leader. We still have much of what Constantine wrote and did, and we have the writings of the men of the apostle age of the church, or the church before Constantine. Our church today follows the lead of Constantine. We have an accurate picture of this because the writings of both Constantine and the leaders of the first churches has been preserved.

The first churches were closer to the teachings of Christ, as time went by not only Constantine but other men added their interpretation to the church, leading the church away from the pure teachings of the men taught by Christ..

The first churches were in agreement about the core teachings of Christ. It was a church of lifestyle that was apart from the world, centered on love. Love of God and love and caring for each other. Their fleshly life meant little to them, their lifestyle was centered on living in the Kingdom of the Lord. Men changed that from a church of lifestyle to a church of doctrine.

Heresies in those days like Gnostics were argues against but not fought with swords in the apostle age, Christians began killing each other over scripture interpretation after Constantine led by his laws against them.

The world criticized the church and looked down on it in the apostle age but they also commented "look how they love each other". There is no one who says that of today's church.

 

[shittim]

Constantine created a "church" based on the roman form of govenment, venerated leader, etc, we got to where "we are the one true church" and " if you want to get to heaven you have to go through us" as many others have as well, losing the way.

 

[Blik]

In the Christian News forum there's a recent thread about the wife of a pastor of a California megachurch who committed suicide. A link in the thread leads to an article which states: "Hilken had taken her life after suffering from mental health troubles."

I don't want to make light of the tragedy of this situation or the pain it has caused all those involved; however, it does make me think about how reliant the church has become on mental health professionals and recovery programs. I realize there may be situations where a person needs professional help, but is depression one of them? It seems to me, depression is an problem that the love of Christ was tailor-made for.

If Jesus came that we might have life, and that more abundantly, why the need for all kinds of human programs when we already have "the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes"? (Romans 1:16)

Should churches continue to be reliant on these humanistic methods or should it start to detach?

If you make a careful study of the history of the church, there was a tremendous change in the church when Constantine became the church leader. We still have much of what Constantine wrote and did, and we have the writings of the men of the apostle age of the church, or the church before Constantine. Our church today follows the lead of Constantine. We have an accurate picture of this because the writings of both Constantine and the leaders of the first churches has been preserved.

The first churches were closer to the teachings of Christ, as time went by not only Constantine but other men added their interpretation to the church, leading the church away from the pure teachings of the men taught by Christ..

The first churches were in agreement about the core teachings of Christ. It was a church of lifestyle that was apart from the world, centered on love. Love of God and love and caring for each other. Their fleshly life meant little to them, their lifestyle was centered on living in the Kingdom of the Lord. Men changed that from a church of lifestyle to a church of doctrine.

Heresies in those days like Gnostics were argues against but not fought with swords in the apostle age, Christians began killing each other over scripture interpretation after Constantine led by his laws against them.

The world criticized the church and looked down on it in the apostle age but they also commented "look how they love each other". There is no one who says that of today's church.

 

[Blik]

In the Christian News forum there's a recent thread about the wife of a pastor of a California megachurch who committed suicide. A link in the thread leads to an article which states: "Hilken had taken her life after suffering from mental health troubles."

I don't want to make light of the tragedy of this situation or the pain it has caused all those involved; however, it does make me think about how reliant the church has become on mental health professionals and recovery programs. I realize there may be situations where a person needs professional help, but is depression one of them? It seems to me, depression is an problem that the love of Christ was tailor-made for.

If Jesus came that we might have life, and that more abundantly, why the need for all kinds of human programs when we already have "the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes"? (Romans 1:16)

Should churches continue to be reliant on these humanistic methods or should it start to detach?

If you make a careful study of the history of the church, there was a tremendous change in the church when Constantine became the church leader. We still have much of what Constantine wrote and did, and we have the writings of the men of the apostle age of the church, or the church before Constantine. Our church today follows the lead of Constantine. We have an accurate picture of this because the writings of both Constantine and the leaders of the first churches has been preserved.

The first churches were closer to the teachings of Christ, as time went by not only Constantine but other men added their interpretation to the church, leading the church away from the pure teachings of the men taught by Christ..

The first churches were in agreement about the core teachings of Christ. It was a church of lifestyle that was apart from the world, centered on love. Love of God and love and caring for each other. Their fleshly life meant little to them, their lifestyle was centered on living in the Kingdom of the Lord. Men changed that from a church of lifestyle to a church of doctrine.

Heresies in those days like Gnostics were argues against but not fought with swords in the apostle age, Christians began killing each other over scripture interpretation after Constantine led by his laws against them.

The world criticized the church and looked down on it in the apostle age but they also commented "look how they love each other". There is no one who says that of today's church.

 

[Katia]

If you make a careful study of the history of the church, there was a tremendous change in the church when Constantine became the church leader. We still have much of what Constantine wrote and did, and we have the writings of the men of the apostle age of the church, or the church before Constantine. Our church today follows the lead of Constantine. We have an accurate picture of this because the writings of both Constantine and the leaders of the first churches has been preserved.

The first churches were closer to the teachings of Christ, as time went by not only Constantine but other men added their interpretation to the church, leading the church away from the pure teachings of the men taught by Christ..

The first churches were in agreement about the core teachings of Christ. It was a church of lifestyle that was apart from the world, centered on love. Love of God and love and caring for each other. Their fleshly life meant little to them, their lifestyle was centered on living in the Kingdom of the Lord. Men changed that from a church of lifestyle to a church of doctrine.

Heresies in those days like Gnostics were argues against but not fought with swords in the apostle age, Christians began killing each other over scripture interpretation after Constantine led by his laws against them.

The world criticized the church and looked down on it in the apostle age but they also commented "look how they love each other". There is no one who says that of today's church.

I once knew an Ethiopian woman who insisted that their church was superior to other churches and they were like the first churches. She even stated that they have the Ark of the Covenant. Hmmm Their Bible is written in Amharic which she felt is better than modern Bibles.

Due to Covid, I am like many quite isolated and remain in my apartment except to get groceries, or to exercise on my bike. This provides considerable time for reflection and that is why I sought out this Forum. I had been attending Mormon services though have strong reservations about some of their practices. They are very loving of each other and that is written right in to the structure of the church. After being gone for more than a year, it is doubtful that I will return.

I was reading lots of Sci Fi and other fiction and have somehow decided that Bible study and the study of Biblical Archeology is perhaps better. I agree that the church is likely not what Jesus wanted and I think the error started in the Book of Acts. I never liked the killing of Ananias and Saphira. In further books, sometimes the content is alarming to me.

For me, the history of the Christian church is confusing and I think that history about it is being rewritten as I sit here. From secular history, I think the Catholic church did not actually form until around 380 AD. When I read Middle Age history I feel awful. The Plagues, and Inquisition and other things were awful to even learn of.

 

[laymen]

In the Christian News forum there's a recent thread about the wife of a pastor of a California megachurch who committed suicide. A link in the thread leads to an article which states: "Hilken had taken her life after suffering from mental health troubles."

I don't want to make light of the tragedy of this situation or the pain it has caused all those involved; however, it does make me think about how reliant the church has become on mental health professionals and recovery programs. I realize there may be situations where a person needs professional help, but is depression one of them? It seems to me, depression is an problem that the love of Christ was tailor-made for.

If Jesus came that we might have life, and that more abundantly, why the need for all kinds of human programs when we already have "the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes"? (Romans 1:16)

Should churches continue to be reliant on these humanistic methods or should it start to detach?

They might have programs for Depression but I don't think its talked about enough in our of the church. We as church members need to be a rock to those who have Depression and should understand Mental illness is not someone's lack of faith. You can have all the faith in the world and still be depressed at times. Reminds me of the story of Elijah in 1 kings 19

Elijah had what I would call bipolar Depression because one moment he is slaying false prophets and making it rain and the next he is running and hiding from Jezebel. I don't see a lack of faith but I do see Depression.

 

[CS1]

In the Christian News forum there's a recent thread about the wife of a pastor of a California megachurch who committed suicide. A link in the thread leads to an article which states: "Hilken had taken her life after suffering from mental health troubles."

I don't want to make light of the tragedy of this situation or the pain it has caused all those involved; however, it does make me think about how reliant the church has become on mental health professionals and recovery programs. I realize there may be situations where a person needs professional help, but is depression one of them? It seems to me, depression is an problem that the love of Christ was tailor-made for.

If Jesus came that we might have life, and that more abundantly, why the need for all kinds of human programs when we already have "the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes"? (Romans 1:16)

Should churches continue to be reliant on these humanistic methods or should it start to detach?

when a building focuses on building a church instead of building a relationship with the Lord you have no satisfaction.

Suicide is a demonic spirit of murder that oppresses a person until they take their life.
Depression is the well-deployed ATTACK ON A PERSON joy AND HOPE, AND peace.

ALL OF THESE THINGS CAN BE DEFEATED AND HAVE BEEN DEFEATED by the Lord Jesus Christ BUT we must ABIDE IN HIM>

His joy is not as the world gives it nor can the world take it away YOU MUST relinquish it to the enemy Just like Adam did in the Garden.

We Must Stand with the whole armor of God and done ALL to stand. Eph 6