Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

No knots around here buddy.......just smoooooth sailing......

So you are saying that Jews today (whom Paul says are blinded) understand prophecy better than the Church? Doesn't sound right to me....

... but don't leave out the word "H7725 - shuv / shub" (as you are doing ^ in that sentence --between the two underlined parts ^ )

I believe 357 B.C. to be the correct year of the decree going forth to rebuild the city.

Nope, but you're blinded by a Darby [false hypothesis]. What makes your understanding any better than theirs?

It will arrive in a sudden moment of time but it's speaking of one's fate. Noah was shut up in the Ark by God Himself, then the rain started, and at that very moment the fate of the world was at hand, yet all they saw was rain for the first few days, not the flood. Te Rapture will e just like the days of Noah, they will be driving, eating, giving in marriage, then the floods (70th week) will come upon the world. When that Rapture happens, the fate of all men on this earth are sealed (unless you die naturally before the middle of the week) they will all go through the tribulation period.

The Seals are all opened during the 70th week, we can see that in Rev. 4:1, it says that all of these things are the "HEREAFTER".

And by the way, I agree Rev. 1:1 does indeed mean QUICKNESS or in HASTE, not Shortly (or at least how shortly is perceived nowadays) we can see that the KJV bible translated two Greek words as SHORTLY.

The Reuelation 602 of Iesus 2424 Christ, 5547 which 3739 God 2316 gaue 1325 z5656 vnto him, 846 to shewe 1166 z5658 vnto his y846 x848 seruants 1401 things which 3739 must 1163 z5748 shortly 1722 5034 come to passe; 1096 z5635 and 2532 he sent 649 z5660 and signified 4591 z5656 [it] by 1223 his y846 x848 Angel 32 vnto his y846 x848 seruant 1401 Iohn, 2491

1722 = EN
#1722 ἐν en {en}

a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time, or state)

5034 = TACHOS
#5034 τάχος tachos {takh'-os}

from the same as G5036; TDNT - n/a; n n
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) quickness, speed
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From the same as G5036; a brief space (of time), that is, (with G1722 prefixed) in haste:— + quickly, + shortly, + speedily.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

So, the Greek ord TACHOS is where the English word Tachometer comes from whiich of course measures speed. The Gree word EN is speaking about a FIXED POINT [in time in this case).

So, basically, Jesus is just stating the obvious, at a (EN) FIXED POINT IN TIME (Jesus knows that the day nor the hour) I will (TACHOS) come in HASTE or come SPEEDILY. It never meant shortly, of course, the old English word here means in a SHORT TIME PERIOD or in a flash so to speak, Jesus can be there almost as soon as the order is given because He is God after all.

So, we agree that means SPEEDILY. Or in QUICKNESS.

The Birth Pangs however only birth the baby, they are not a part of the 70th week. The 70th week = THE BABY, you cant have Birth Pangs once the baby is delivered.

Nope, but you're blinded by a Darby [false hypothesis]. What makes your understanding any better than theirs?

Sir. You { ? }

Do you? { Yes - I believe so. }

Not that I see

In daniel 9. We are told in the middle of the week. One will place an abomination (hebrew siqqus - vileness, Vile Idol, Forbidden food, A detestable thing, An abominable object) on the wing of the temple which causes desolation. { No. }

In the greek septuagint, The term abomination of desolation is used in Dan 9. { I seriously doubt that. In D11,D12 yes D9 no. } Your the only person I ever met who does not think this is an abomination of desolation. Not saying your the only one. But saying something is wrong there Why are you the only one I met?

You need to study deeper my friend.

It will arrive in a sudden moment of time but it's speaking of one's fate. Noah was shut up in the Ark by God Himself, then the rain started, and at that very moment the fate of the world was at hand, yet all they saw was rain for the first few days, not the flood. Te Rapture will e just like the days of Noah, they will be driving, eating, giving in marriage, then the floods (70th week) will come upon the world. When that Rapture happens, the fate of all men on this earth are sealed (unless you die naturally before the middle of the week) they will all go through the tribulation period.

The Seals are all opened during the 70th week, we can see that in Rev. 4:1, it says that all of these things are the "HEREAFTER".

And by the way, I agree Rev. 1:1 does indeed mean QUICKNESS or in HASTE, not Shortly (or at least how shortly is perceived nowadays) we can see that the KJV bible translated two Greek words as SHORTLY.

The Reuelation 602 of Iesus 2424 Christ, 5547 which 3739 God 2316 gaue 1325 z5656 vnto him, 846 to shewe 1166 z5658 vnto his y846 x848 seruants 1401 things which 3739 must 1163 z5748 shortly 1722 5034 come to passe; 1096 z5635 and 2532 he sent 649 z5660 and signified 4591 z5656 [it] by 1223 his y846 x848 Angel 32 vnto his y846 x848 seruant 1401 Iohn, 2491

1722 = EN
#1722 ἐν en {en}

a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time, or state)

5034 = TACHOS
#5034 τάχος tachos {takh'-os}

from the same as G5036; TDNT - n/a; n n
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) quickness, speed
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From the same as G5036; a brief space (of time), that is, (with G1722 prefixed) in haste:— + quickly, + shortly, + speedily.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

So, the Greek ord TACHOS is where the English word Tachometer comes from whiich of course measures speed. The Gree word EN is speaking about a FIXED POINT [in time in this case).

So, basically, Jesus is just stating the obvious, at a (EN) FIXED POINT IN TIME (Jesus knows that the day nor the hour) I will (TACHOS) come in HASTE or come SPEEDILY. It never meant shortly, of course, the old English word here means in a SHORT TIME PERIOD or in a flash so to speak, Jesus can be there almost as soon as the order is given because He is God after all.

So, we agree that means SPEEDILY. Or in QUICKNESS.

The Birth Pangs however only birth the baby, they are not a part of the 70th week. The 70th week = THE BABY, you cant have Birth Pangs once the baby is delivered.

It will arrive in a sudden moment of time but it's speaking of one's fate. Noah was shut up in the Ark by God Himself, then the rain started, and at that very moment the fate of the world was at hand, yet all they saw was rain for the first few days, not the flood. Te Rapture will e just like the days of Noah, they will be driving, eating, giving in marriage, then the floods (70th week) will come upon the world. When that Rapture happens, the fate of all men on this earth are sealed (unless you die naturally before the middle of the week) they will all go through the tribulation period.

The Seals are all opened during the 70th week, we can see that in Rev. 4:1, it says that all of these things are the "HEREAFTER".

And by the way, I agree Rev. 1:1 does indeed mean QUICKNESS or in HASTE, not Shortly (or at least how shortly is perceived nowadays) we can see that the KJV bible translated two Greek words as SHORTLY.

The Reuelation 602 of Iesus 2424 Christ, 5547 which 3739 God 2316 gaue 1325 z5656 vnto him, 846 to shewe 1166 z5658 vnto his y846 x848 seruants 1401 things which 3739 must 1163 z5748 shortly 1722 5034 come to passe; 1096 z5635 and 2532 he sent 649 z5660 and signified 4591 z5656 [it] by 1223 his y846 x848 Angel 32 vnto his y846 x848 seruant 1401 Iohn, 2491

1722 = EN
#1722 ἐν en {en}

a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time, or state)

5034 = TACHOS
#5034 τάχος tachos {takh'-os}

from the same as G5036; TDNT - n/a; n n
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) quickness, speed
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From the same as G5036; a brief space (of time), that is, (with G1722 prefixed) in haste:— + quickly, + shortly, + speedily.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

So, the Greek ord TACHOS is where the English word Tachometer comes from whiich of course measures speed. The Gree word EN is speaking about a FIXED POINT [in time in this case).

So, basically, Jesus is just stating the obvious, at a (EN) FIXED POINT IN TIME (Jesus knows that the day nor the hour) I will (TACHOS) come in HASTE or come SPEEDILY. It never meant shortly, of course, the old English word here means in a SHORT TIME PERIOD or in a flash so to speak, Jesus can be there almost as soon as the order is given because He is God after all.

So, we agree that means SPEEDILY. Or in QUICKNESS.

The Birth Pangs however only birth the baby, they are not a part of the 70th week. The 70th week = THE BABY, you cant have Birth Pangs once the baby is delivered.

Obvious......except for a 3.5 year fudge factor? And a wackadoo 70AD date that fits nothing?

Sorry.... I'm sticking with what I know to be true.

I believe 357 B.C. to be the correct year of the decree going forth to rebuild the city.

Thank you. Many commentators agree with us. I know you meant to say 457 BC. Some say 456 BC.

Let's work backwards. If it's 7 'sevens' and 62 'sevens' until Messiah, we should be able to take the year of Messiah's ministry and go backwards to confirm the prior dates of the prophecy.

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1) The 2nd Jewish Temple began its reconstruction under Herod in 20 BC (Temple of Jerusalem - Britannica)

...and at the beginning of Messiah's ministry, the religious leaders - scoffing at the Messiah's prophecy - said this...


John 2:20 [brackets mine]
Then said the Jews, Forty and six years [46 years] was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days!?


This was only chapter 2 of John's account so it's safe to conclude it was the beginning of Messiah's ministry.


2) There's no such thing as a “year zero” when counting between BC and AD. Time flows from 1BC to 1AD. These facts are important when counting backwards or forwards.

20 BC + 46 years + 1 (to account for no "zero" year) = 27 AD

So the Messiah's ministry began in 27 AD.


3) Daniel 9:25 says
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


So let's reverse the math...

27 AD - 434 years - 49 years - 1 year (to account for no "zero" year) = 457 BC

Let's work backwards. If it's 7 'sevens' and 62 'sevens' until Messiah, we should be able to take the year of Messiah's ministry and go backwards to confirm the prior dates of the prophecy.

----

1) The 2nd Jewish Temple began its reconstruction under Herod in 20 BC (Temple of Jerusalem - Britannica)

...and at the beginning of Messiah's ministry, the religious leaders - scoffing at the Messiah's prophecy - said this...


John 2:20 [brackets mine]
Then said the Jews, Forty and six years [46 years] was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days!?


This was only chapter 2 of John's account so it's safe to conclude it was the beginning of Messiah's ministry.


2) There's no such thing as a “year zero” when counting between BC and AD. Time flows from 1BC to 1AD. These facts are important when counting backwards or forwards.

20 BC + 46 years + 1 (to account for no "zero" year) = 27 AD

So the Messiah's ministry began in 27 AD.


3) Daniel 9:25 says
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


So let's reverse the math...

27 AD - 434 years - 49 years - 1 year (to account for no "zero" year) = 457 BC

There are various translations - how do you understand "and will have nothing/but not for himself"?

Although some translations give 'masiah' as the The Messiah, there seems no good reason for this.
"An anointed one" is the correct translation according to various other translations.

Israel itself is anointed - see for instance

Psalm 105 : 15, Habakkuk 3:13

Given that Israel is the Church, then it makes good sense to understand that it is the Elect, the Church,
that is cut off at the end of the 69th week.

The trouble with the 457AD decree is that nothing specific happened AD33-40 where you are trying to make the last week happen. And besides, if you study Ezra and Nehemiah it is clear that these events happened straight after the construction of the Temple, as one would expect.

Who are these "commentators"? And who are these "us's"?

There are various translations - how do you understand "and will have nothing/but not for himself"?

Although some translations give 'masiah' as the The Messiah, there seems no good reason for this.
"An anointed one" is the correct translation according to various other translations.

Israel itself is anointed - see for instance

Psalm 105 : 15, Habakkuk 3:13

Given that Israel is the Church, then it makes good sense to understand that it is the Elect, the Church,
that is cut off at the end of the 69th week.

The trouble with the 457AD decree is that nothing specific happened AD33-40 where you are trying to make the last week happen. And besides, if you study Ezra and Nehemiah it is clear that these events happened straight after the construction of the Temple, as one would expect.