Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

Am not postrib, am amillennialism.
https://justifiedbychristalone.com/2007/10/24/amillennialism-a-word-direct-from-the-scriptures/

Matthew 24:29-30
King James Version

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

All nonelects will be under strong delusion by God. Hopefully God's elects will find my post if its God's will.

Matthew 24:29-31 is referring to when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and has nothing to do with the event of the church being gathered. It is because you have made these two events as being the same that you err. And you err even more so by not believing in a literal thousand years.

1). The Lord's appearing to gather the church: (takes place prior to God's wrath)
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words.

2). The Lord's Return to the earth to end the age: (Takes place after God's wrath)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The two scriptures above should be looked at as being two separate events.

1st proof of one of God's elect=The reason why am hated for no reason since I was physically born and never fitted in no matter how hard I tried is because am one of God’s elects. (John 15:18-19) This question has been bothering me since I was physically born, until God revealed it to me when he made me born again (received the Holy Spirit). 2nd proof= all existence of boredom no longer exists and you no longer burn out (psychology) anymore. That is when you have received the Holy Spirit. You made peace with God. Philippians 4:7 By read the 10 commandments, I found proof that TV, movies, watching sports (violence like football, covet their lives and they are idols), novels, music, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons. 3rd proof=If you are God's elect, God will destroy the sinful nature and replaces it with Jesus holy nature=natural not to sin. Romans 6:6-23 God's elect remove those sources of sin. God gives the elect the power to deny themselves (to pray to God to destroy those temptation that appear out of no where and not sin)=sanctification. If we ever make a mistake, we confess and repent (not do that sin ever again) of the sin.

Vast majority of people are nonelects. Also end time prophecies are for God's elect only, since God will send strong delusion on to the nonelects.

After God gave me the Holy Spirit, by read the 10 commandments, I found proof that TV, movies, watching sports (violence like football, covet their lives and they are idols), novels, music, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons and Christian music words that gives messages which are rare.

I found out that in them there is lying, stealing, adultery (Matthew 5:28 looking at someone with lust is adultery), fornication which is sex before marriage, revenge, violence (Psalm 11:5), murder (hate is also murder 1 John 3:15), jealousy/covet, greed, pride=self-pity, hypocrisy, using God’s name in vain as a curse word, they are all idols (breaks 2nd Commandment) because most people can’t live without them and they love them more than God and more. Just read the 10 commandments for a list. You must remove those sources of sin.

1 John 2:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 New King James Version
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Now I will be preaching about how to receive the Holy Spirit and be 100% going to Heaven.

First, it’s only by the grace of God that he gives you faith in Jesus Christ in order to give up your sins. It’s only by the grace of God that he leads you to pray to him to destroy all your evil desires of watching TV or any sinful desires. When you pray to God to destroy all your evil desires of watching TV or sinful desires (Romans 6:6-7 and Galatians 5:24), Satan will intervene and extremely tempt you in watching the TV. But if it’s God’s will and if you are one of God’s elects, you will overcome it and God will destroy all your evil desires of watching TV. After God has destroyed all your evil desires of watching TV and if you are one of God’s elects, you receive the joy of the Holy Spirit for a short amount of time. After the joy wears off, all existence of boredom no longer exists and you no longer burn out (psychology) anymore. That is when you have received the Holy Spirit.

Then it’s by the grace of God that he forgives you of your sins, as you confess and repent of your sins (confess and not do those sins anymore) throughout your life which is called sanctification.

After you have received the Holy Spirit and have confessed and repented of any known sins that you have done, then you pray to God to get rid of all evil spirits out of you.

Say “In the name of Jesus Christ I bind and cast out all evil spirits out of me.” Then automatically your mouth will open and you will exhale all those evil spirits out of you.

When you sin, demons have the legal right to enter your body and you have less self-control in what you do.

The Holy Spirit is the permanent cure to boredom but it is only given to God’s elects. (Proof: John 14:26-27 and Philippians 4:7)
The Holy Spirit also gives the fruit of the spirit.(Galatians 5:22-24)

Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version (KJV)

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Avoid: The First Step to Defeating Lust // Six Steps to Defeating Sexual Sin

Youtube: Unreserved love and We Are The Reason

Read James 4:4, Proverbs 29:27, 2 Corinthians 6:14-17

Just so you know Jesus had to carry all of God’s elects sins and endure the punishment for God’s elects sins which is Hellfire spiritually, which is extreme love and mercy. Go to the bottom website, for better explanation.

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/jesus-eternal-punishment-hours/

https://www.gotquestions.org/calvinism.html

read to here

You are correct in that, as we go from faith to faith we are being transformed into the image of the Lord, which is the process of sanctification i.e. being made holy. However, what you are claiming above is absurd! Think about it: you'd be saying that anyone who works in any of those venues and more would have to quit what they are doing as soon as they became believers in Christ. God has people in the television industry, sports, authors, music, manufacturing, etc. And those people can be witnesses to others in those same venues. According to what you are claiming above, we would all need to leave the earth in order to not be exposed any of those things.

According to you then, a man who becomes a believer would have to divorce his unbelieving wife and the same for the unbelieving husband. Yet scripture states that if the unbelieving husband or wife wants to remain that you should not seek to divorce them.

What you are suggesting above is a works-of-the-law based salvation, 'do this, don't do that,' of which you have made yourself the monitor of. Based on what you have said, I'm sure that you are already breaking many of them without even knowing it.

The Anti-Christ, in general, doesn't need to do miracles, he is given authority over the Saints for 42 months. He has power over the whole world except for the 4-5 million Jews who flee unto the Mountainous area of Petra/Bozrah where God protects them for 42 months. So, who is the Anti-Christ trying to trick or deceive? Only those select Jews he can not get at, and in reality, Satan knows he can't get at them, so this whole "The Anti-Christ comes as a FAKE Messiah" is just a passed down wrongheaded understanding of the facts, and the ones who make this error interpret John 5:43 wrongly, and they do not understand what Jesus stated in full in Matt. 24:24-28, where he basically says this, the Anti-Christ CAN NOT DECEIVE my very Elect (Jews who Jesus is preaching unto here)

Matt. 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

So, by reading the above, why don't people understand this is Jesus saying the Jews who repent at the very end CAN NOT BE DECEIVED? He says false prophets and false christs will come and they will perform [dark] miracles, so much so that IF IT WERE POSSIBLE they would deceive the very Elect (the Jews who repent during the 70th week end-time events), Jesus is only talking about that SPECIFIC sub-set of peoples here, because Jesus only came to the lost sheep of Israel. Then Jesus says BEHOLD, I HAVE TOLD YOU BEFORE[HAND]. Thus it is NOT POSSIBLE to deceive you (those Jews who repent whom Jesus is talking unto in a futuristic and prophetic type manner)..........THEN, he tells them how to look for his Second Coming, and what NOT TO DO. If you hear I am in the desert, DON'T GO, if you hear I am in a secret storeroom, DON'T GO, it will not be me, for I am coming from the Eastern Skies for ALL MANKIND TO SEE !!

He also states that the Eagles will be gathered where the carcass is it, many say this is Jesus speaking about the Rapture, that's really in Matt. 25:36-51, this is Jesus, IMHO, telling the Jews he will be at Armageddon when he lands taking care of business. In Rev. 19 we see the Fowls of the air mentioned as the Church who feast on the evil kings of the earth. It's just prose, but notice, Jesus basically says the eagles will be where the carcass is at, Jesus and his Angels/Church will return out f the Eastern Skies and the only thing the Jews in hiding in the Petra/Bozrah area needs to know is they will be where the carcasses are at. They are about to slay a bunch of wicked men. Amen.

So, the Jews never get deceived, they never accept a false Anti-Christ. In Zechariah 13:8-9 we see that 1/3 of the Jews repent BEFORE the Day of the Lord, and 2//3 do not, the 1/3 flee to Judea (4-5 million called the 144,000 in CODE WORDS), and the 2/3 will perish according to God. So, why does the Anti-Christ try to fake Miracles and say he's the Messiah? Only to get those Jews in the Petra and Bozrah area to come out of their protected zone, where he would be able to kill them, but Jesus has FOREWARNED THEM not to look for him anywhere but in the Eastern Skies !! The Two-witnesses will tell them DO NOT LEAVE the protected zone. So, if Moses and Elijah tell you something it's like, OH YEA BABY, We ain't going nowhere !!

So, where does all this "The Jews accept a false messiah come from?" From this one (2 here) verse John 5:43, all because people take a verse intended by Jesus to be a prophet about the Pharisees living in his time, and the move it to an END-TIME Prophesy, which it is not, and was never intended to be.

John 5:42 But I know you(PHARISEES), that ye have not the love of God in you. 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye(PHARISEES) receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye(PHARISEES) will receive.

So, this Prophesy had to come to pass before THOSE Pharisees died. They DID NOT Receive Jesus as the Son of God, they mocked him, hated him, and made sure the Romans crucified him via deceit and guile. Then around 70 AD, the Pharisees who were not dumb men, Jesus even stated that knew that Rome was the Fourth Beast and thus they anticipated a Messianic figure, whom they thought was a "Political Savior" not the Sin of the living God, that was a foreign concept to the Pharisees. Thus they put forth "Messianic Figures" hoping one would SAVE THEM, from the Fourth Beast Rome, but alas, they had no idea that because the Jews had rejected Christ the 70th week would be put off for nigh 2000 years and the Gentiles would be given the mantle for the Church Age period. The above verse has nothing tp do with the end-time Jews, let people go down that road, and say the Jews will accept an END TIME Messiah, but that's just not factual. The Anti-Chrisy only tries t trick the ELECT Jews (In Petra) the ones he can't get at, everyone sees he can get at. Hes not going to be acting like Jesus, he's going g to get acting lie a Dictator always acts, SEVERE ME, WORSHIP ME, or die. Hes not going to go around the world saying I am Jesus, I am the Messiah, he's going to go around the world saying I am the god of all mankind and we are all gods, we have no god but us, and I am your god, worship me or die !! (666 = Mankind Rules).

I just take my cues from different places. The rant is not aimed at you per se. LOL.

Rather, you have missed it massively. Jesus judges all believers at the BEMA. After the 1,000 year reign, then Jesus judges all unbelievers at the GWT judgment.

You must be kidding. Rev 20:4 is very clear.

I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

How about the 10 plagues in Egypt? Where did God remove the Israelites to?

Just where are "all the pretrib rapture verses" again?

That's nice. Now, please quote them for us.

So then, the Israelites weren't worthy to escape the plauges in Egypt??

So, explain how they were spared, since they didn't escape.

How come NONE of them include any mention of Jesus taking resurrected and raptured believers to heaven?

As I remember both are judged in the same judgement.


Matthew 25:46

Revised Standard Version



46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

"Jesus will act as judge over believers and unbelievers. At the Bema Seat of Christ, He will judge believers’ works after salvation to determine reward or loss of reward (1 Corinthians 4:5; 2 Corinthians 5:10). This judgment has nothing to do with salvation, as believers’ eternal destiny is secure in Jesus (Ephesians 1:13–14). Rather, believers will receive rewards according to how faithfully they served Christ (Luke 19:12–27; 1 Corinthians 3:12–15). In contrast, unbelievers will be judged by Christ at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11–15). Again, this judgment has nothing to do with their eternal destiny—at that point, unbelievers have already sealed their fate by rejecting Jesus. The Great White Throne Judgment determines the severity of unbelievers’ punishment based on what they did in life (Revelation 20:12). Notably, all of the people at this judgment are thrown into the lake of fire because their names were not found in the book of life, which means they rejected Christ’s free gift of salvation (Revelation 20:15). "
https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-as-judge.html

I posted full chapters of the most common in this thread. But, they do not show a pretrib rapture.

Just a note, I am not denying the virgin birth. Only showing how mistranslation was used in the LXX quote in Matthew.

In the Hebrew NT, it does say young woman. In their culture a young woman was expected to be an virgin unless married.
The woman in Isaiah was likely married and the Hebrew NT indicates already with child in the oven.

After the true gospel is preached,
1. If you are one of God's elect, God will give you the Holy Spirit, will give you a holy nature, boredom is removed=you have peace with God. Also a bunch of radical changes.
2. If you are nonelect, you will try to endure for 1 day without those sources of sin, later on you can't stand the boredom anymore, than you go back to sinning. Nonelect's conscience also gets seared after true gospel is preached. https://www.gotquestions.org/seared-conscience.html, 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12

Most of God's elects are in low paid jobs=just for basic necessities of life. Reason is because money can cause greed=covet=idol.

Matthew 10:34-39

King James Version

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. (Yes family and friends can be idols)
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Luke 14:26-27
King James Version (KJV)
26 If any man come to me, and hate (Have to love God more than your family and life, that it looks like hatred) not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

You don't need to leave the earth, in order to not be exposed any of those things.

https://www.gotquestions.org/calvinism.html

Total Depravity - As a result of Adam’s fall, the entire human race is affected; all humanity is dead in trespasses and sins. Man is unable to save himself (Genesis 6:5; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:10-18).

Unconditional Election - Because man is dead in sin, he is unable to initiate a response to God; therefore, in eternity past God elected certain people to salvation. Election and predestination are unconditional; they are not based on man’s response (Romans 8:29-30;9:11; Ephesians 1:4-6, 11-12) because man is unable to respond, nor does he want to.

Limited Atonement - Because God determined that certain ones should be saved as a result of God’s unconditional election, He determined that Christ should die for the elect alone. All whom God has elected and for whom Christ died will be saved (Matthew 1:21; John 10:11; 17:9; Acts 20:28; Romans 8:32; Ephesians 5:25).

Irresistible Grace - Those whom God elected He draws to Himself through irresistible grace. God makes man willing to come to Him. When God calls, man responds (John 6:37, 44; 10:16).

Perseverance of the Saints - The precise ones God has elected and drawn to Himself through the Holy Spirit will persevere in faith. None whom God has elected will be lost; they are eternally secure (John 10:27-29; Romans 8:29-30; Ephesians 1:3-14).

It is not a works-of-the-law based salvation. First, you must be one of God's elects in order to receive the Holy Spirit=grace of God.

Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. Does disobeying God by sinning show your love for God?

1 John 5:3
King James Version

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Also its the grace of God that God's elect have the power to remove all those sources of sin from their lives.

Nonelects have made a bunch of false gospels that don't mention about how to receive the Holy Spirit since they have never experienced it before.