Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.
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I know when the real Jesus 2n Coming will be like. All nonelects won't be able to escape because the real Jesus Christ is going to burn down the old earth and old heaven. No place to hide.
Then when the Real Jesus Christ comes back, God’s children (God’s elects that are still jailed on old earth, the other elects got killed by nonelects) will first meet Jesus Christ in the air and Satan’s children will be hiding under rocks and mountains. Looks like the old heaven and old earth gets burned down, along with the nonelects physical bodies.
2 Peter 3:10-13
King James Version
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief (thief to nonelects) in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Also read Revelation 20:7-10 and 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
Jesus Christ comes and every eye will see him (Revelation 1:7) “7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.”
Satan and his demons can't do anything, without God's permission. They are a rat on a rope.
I don't see the reason for a 1000 year physical kingdom, when God will burn down the old earth and old heaven. Throw all nonelects, Satan and his demons into the lake of fire. Then God's elects will be in new heaven and new earth with God for eternity.
Then when the Real Jesus Christ comes back, God’s children (God’s elects that are still jailed on old earth, the other elects got killed by nonelects) will first meet Jesus Christ in the air and Satan’s children will be hiding under rocks and mountains. Looks like the old heaven and old earth gets burned down, along with the nonelects physical bodies.
2 Peter 3:10-13
King James Version
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief (thief to nonelects) in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Also read Revelation 20:7-10 and 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
Jesus Christ comes and every eye will see him (Revelation 1:7) “7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.”
Satan and his demons can't do anything, without God's permission. They are a rat on a rope.
I don't see the reason for a 1000 year physical kingdom, when God will burn down the old earth and old heaven. Throw all nonelects, Satan and his demons into the lake of fire. Then God's elects will be in new heaven and new earth with God for eternity.
WATCH CAREFULLY, and then say that again, what you guys do is fudge any and everything to fit your preconceived notions. Or just ignore "INCONVENIENT FACTS".
Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev. 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
So, who is marrying Jesus in Heaven sir? Who returns with Jesus sir? SAINTS in Fine White Linen !! The same ones we see in Revelation chapters 4 and 5 BEFORE the Seals are ever opened. These clues try to hit you guys in the head, but you duck and ignore the facts presented before you. It's going to be on you guys when God asks why? W are all acountable.
Rev. 4:4 clearly tells us those there have CROWNS, ROBES (White Raiment) and sit at God's THRONES, and the Churches are specifically told in Rev. 2:10, 3:5 and 3:21 that those wh OVERCOME will get these three things, then we see a group of people in Heaven in the very next chapter that has these three things and you can't grasp its the OVERCOMING Church?
It says SPECIFICALLY that Jesus returns with His Bride/Saints in FINE LINEN who he marries in heaven. Do you even understand you don't go to the marriage Feast until the 7 Days in the bridal chambers are over with? The Marriage Feast is Armageddon.
Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev. 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
So, who is marrying Jesus in Heaven sir? Who returns with Jesus sir? SAINTS in Fine White Linen !! The same ones we see in Revelation chapters 4 and 5 BEFORE the Seals are ever opened. These clues try to hit you guys in the head, but you duck and ignore the facts presented before you. It's going to be on you guys when God asks why? W are all acountable.
Rev. 4:4 clearly tells us those there have CROWNS, ROBES (White Raiment) and sit at God's THRONES, and the Churches are specifically told in Rev. 2:10, 3:5 and 3:21 that those wh OVERCOME will get these three things, then we see a group of people in Heaven in the very next chapter that has these three things and you can't grasp its the OVERCOMING Church?
It says SPECIFICALLY that Jesus returns with His Bride/Saints in FINE LINEN who he marries in heaven. Do you even understand you don't go to the marriage Feast until the 7 Days in the bridal chambers are over with? The Marriage Feast is Armageddon.
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No, you are chopping the context out. Paul comforts those worrying about their loved ones THEN he explains the Pre Trib Rapture.
1 Thess. 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The Thessalonians are worried that their loved ones will not be given life eternal. Paul assures them, no, don't worry, we who are alive [at the rapture] will not prevent those who are asleep (dead in Christ) from going to heaven to be with the Lord. So, Jesus will bring them that sleep in Christ (the ones you are worried about) AND as verse 15 says, we will be raised and go to be with the Lord at the same time. Now, if Paul is trying to reassure them that the dead are RAISED FIRST and thus we got to meet them in the air and thus Jesus is BRINGING THEM WITH HIM, of if he's speaking about the Second Coming (which I don't think is what he's doing) and that will happen 7 years later, either way, as we see in Rev. 29, we know the Bride marries the Lamb and returns with Jesus later. To be honest, I think that the SPLIT SECOND Paul speaks of in 1 Cor. 15 is insignificant, he's just trying to allay the Thessalonians and Corinthians fears that their loved ones will be raised and not left behind so Paul says they will be raised a SPLIT SECOND before those of us who are alive and remain.
QUESTION, if I and the wife walk hand in hand into a Supermarket and my left foot enters a fraction of a second ahead of her, did I go in first and her second or did we really walk in together? Psstt, I think Paul, IN A LETTER which he did not deem to be "Thus saith the Lord" was just saying, the will be raised just before those of us who are alive will be CHANGED from living humans to dead humans and thus living Spirit Men. Nothing more nothing less. Paulis saying that the Dead and Christ and the Living in Christ go to the clouds to be with the Lord at this time, AND the CHANGING in the TWINKLING of an eye doesn't make sense if the other ones on earth stay human and repopulates the earth does it? As a matter of fact, no Christians will be remaining on this earth so to speak of unless they are in hiding really, really well. Only the protected Jews will be alive, and the Wicked tares.
The First Resurrection with God who lives in ALL TIME AT ONCE, is the Resurrection of the Faithful. The Second Resurrection is the resurrection and judgment of the UNFAITHFUL. God, doesn't do things as we see them. Of course, ONE GAME.......can have.......FOUR QUARTERS. So, I think we are just going a little too far with that argument tbh.
The First Resurrection is the FAITHFUL over a 7 year period, the Gentiles AND Jews who were in Christ, who went to marry the Lamb in Heaven, AND the old Jewish Saints are raised at the very end, the Remnant Gentile Church seen n Rev. 12:17 and at the 5th Seal are raised at the same time and Judged in Rev. 20:4. (ALL of this is the First Resurrection, don't get hung up on our timing, God's speaking of TWO GAMES with many quarters (so to speak). If we humans can have to game and 8 quarters, surely God can also count likewise. He lives outside of time anyway.
And NO, that means that Jesus comes back with the Church at the 7th Vial.
1 Thess. 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The Thessalonians are worried that their loved ones will not be given life eternal. Paul assures them, no, don't worry, we who are alive [at the rapture] will not prevent those who are asleep (dead in Christ) from going to heaven to be with the Lord. So, Jesus will bring them that sleep in Christ (the ones you are worried about) AND as verse 15 says, we will be raised and go to be with the Lord at the same time. Now, if Paul is trying to reassure them that the dead are RAISED FIRST and thus we got to meet them in the air and thus Jesus is BRINGING THEM WITH HIM, of if he's speaking about the Second Coming (which I don't think is what he's doing) and that will happen 7 years later, either way, as we see in Rev. 29, we know the Bride marries the Lamb and returns with Jesus later. To be honest, I think that the SPLIT SECOND Paul speaks of in 1 Cor. 15 is insignificant, he's just trying to allay the Thessalonians and Corinthians fears that their loved ones will be raised and not left behind so Paul says they will be raised a SPLIT SECOND before those of us who are alive and remain.
QUESTION, if I and the wife walk hand in hand into a Supermarket and my left foot enters a fraction of a second ahead of her, did I go in first and her second or did we really walk in together? Psstt, I think Paul, IN A LETTER which he did not deem to be "Thus saith the Lord" was just saying, the will be raised just before those of us who are alive will be CHANGED from living humans to dead humans and thus living Spirit Men. Nothing more nothing less. Paulis saying that the Dead and Christ and the Living in Christ go to the clouds to be with the Lord at this time, AND the CHANGING in the TWINKLING of an eye doesn't make sense if the other ones on earth stay human and repopulates the earth does it? As a matter of fact, no Christians will be remaining on this earth so to speak of unless they are in hiding really, really well. Only the protected Jews will be alive, and the Wicked tares.
The First Resurrection with God who lives in ALL TIME AT ONCE, is the Resurrection of the Faithful. The Second Resurrection is the resurrection and judgment of the UNFAITHFUL. God, doesn't do things as we see them. Of course, ONE GAME.......can have.......FOUR QUARTERS. So, I think we are just going a little too far with that argument tbh.
The First Resurrection is the FAITHFUL over a 7 year period, the Gentiles AND Jews who were in Christ, who went to marry the Lamb in Heaven, AND the old Jewish Saints are raised at the very end, the Remnant Gentile Church seen n Rev. 12:17 and at the 5th Seal are raised at the same time and Judged in Rev. 20:4. (ALL of this is the First Resurrection, don't get hung up on our timing, God's speaking of TWO GAMES with many quarters (so to speak). If we humans can have to game and 8 quarters, surely God can also count likewise. He lives outside of time anyway.
And NO, that means that Jesus comes back with the Church at the 7th Vial.
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Matthew 24:21-22
New King James Version
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [a]elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
Guess the famines and wars will be great.
I assume there will be a one world government (the nonelects 2nd attempt of tower of babel), world unity, Satan pops up as the fake 2nd coming of Jesus with his miracles. After a very short amount of time, the Real Jesus comes to gather God's elects and burn down the old heaven and old earth with everything in it. Than Great white throne judgment.
New King James Version
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [a]elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
Guess the famines and wars will be great.
I assume there will be a one world government (the nonelects 2nd attempt of tower of babel), world unity, Satan pops up as the fake 2nd coming of Jesus with his miracles. After a very short amount of time, the Real Jesus comes to gather God's elects and burn down the old heaven and old earth with everything in it. Than Great white throne judgment.
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