Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

God called the galations foolish.

The martyrs of the gt or foolish virgins are believers left behind due to foolishly not being ready.

It says all take the mark or die.

" every man, woman and child whether bond or free"

You must take it or die.

....according to the bible.

To this day nobody has read those verses
They all buck up at it everytime i post it.

Yet it is Gods word.

Greetings,

All of those signs that you posted above take place during the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which lead up to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. Because Jesus already took upon himself God's wrath that every believer deserves satisfying it completely, God's wrath no longer rests upon us and we must therefore be gathered from the earth prior to those plagues of wrath.

You are confusing the event of the gathering of the church with the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. However, they they are two separate events which take place at different times and have different purposes.

What it all boils down to is there ARE NO Scripture to back a Rapture Event before the Second Coming. Look at the years, months, days, hours, minutes, seconds literally wasted looking for Scriptures to explain TWO RAPTURES. Those precious moments could have been spent on doing what we are called to do, lead people to Christ.

Forgive my language here, but when it comes to trying to put Scripture speaking only about a one time single Rapture Event into the timing of Matthew 24, Revelation, Daniel, and others to create a [secret Rapture Event] between Christ's Ascension and His Second Coming, the stupid is real!

The "gathering of the church" are what I read the prophets all saying, "flee the cities," "come out of her," "let us go to the mountain," and so on. This has been going on for centuries though. I never thought of it as a specific "event" appointed for a specific time.

At least that is my understanding. I don't see that as a rapture, but I do see it as another exodus. Another sanctification, which means separation. Then he says that these desolate places will be dwelled in by "doleful creatures." He goes on and lists "unclean" creatures.

But, still, we have to dwell among the tares because we are not gathered up from them until the harvest. This exodus happens before Jesus returns though. We won't stand there and see him descending in glory from the sky until it's "wrath time." That's so far the extent of my understanding.

Rev. 20 speaks of the FIRST RESURRECTION.
Those in the FIRST RESURRECTION are blessed because the second death has no power over them.
The second death is being cast into the lake of fire.
ALL whose name is not in the book of life will suffer the second death.
Those INCLUDED in the first resurrection are mentioned in verse 4.
How can both the "CHURCH" and those mentioned in verse 4 be in the FIRST RESURRETION and escape the second death if those two events take place 7 years apart?

Bingo. Christ returns after the great tribulation to perform the first resurrection and rapture. This is one of the most definitive proofs for a post-trib return/resurrection/rapture.

There is no gathering
No rescue of any kind after the flood, or , in lots case after the judgement.

Jesus used both dynamics.
In conjunction with watch and be ready.

Ready to stay????
Ready to stay in the house in sodom?

Noah was gathered BEFORE the flood= rapure
Noah was in the ark pre trib= rapture
Noah was carried over a mile into the sky = rapture

Noahs inlaws stayed behind = rapture foolish do as well.

Noah returned AFTER the flood to set up a kingdom = pretrib rapture....taken up into the sky....return AFTER the judgement

Without a doubt Noah gathered, taken into sky, family left behind, complete with "ark" being the type for heaven.

Vivid vivid vivid picture of the pretrib rapture.

God called the galations foolish.

The martyrs of the gt or foolish virgins are believers left behind due to foolishly not being ready.

It says all take the mark or die.

" every man, woman and child whether bond or free"

You must take it or die.

....according to the bible.

To this day nobody has read those verses
They all buck up at it everytime i post it.

Yet it is Gods word.

What it all boils down to is there ARE NO Scripture to back a Rapture Event before the Second Coming. Look at the years, months, days, hours, minutes, seconds literally wasted looking for Scriptures to explain TWO RAPTURES. Those precious moments could have been spent on doing what we are called to do, lead people to Christ.

Forgive my language here, but when it comes to trying to put Scripture speaking only about a one time single Rapture Event into the timing of Matthew 24, Revelation, Daniel, and others to create a [secret Rapture Event] between Christ's Ascension and His Second Coming, the stupid is real!

The word Rapture is not used in Matthew 24, nor is it used in Noah's Flood.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

1. to take to (cf. παρά, IV. 1), to take with oneself, to join to oneself: τινα, an associate, a companion, Matthew 17:1; Matthew 26:37; Mark 4:36; Mark 5:40; Mark 9:2; Mark 10:32; Luke 9:10, 28; Luke 11:26; Luke 18:31; Acts 15:39; in the passive, Matthew 24:40, 41; Luke 17:34-36; one to be led off as a prisoner, John 19:16; Acts 23:18; https://biblehub.com/greek/3880.htm

This supports a man being forced into military service in 70 AD.


"The abomination of desolation (το βδελυγμα της ερεμωσεως). An allusion to Daniel 9:27; Daniel 11:31; Daniel 12:11. Antiochus Epiphanes erected an altar to Zeus on the altar of Jehovah (1Macc. 1:54,59; 6:7; 2Macc. 6:1-5). The desolation in the mind of Jesus is apparently the Roman army (Luke 21:20) in the temple, an application of the words of Daniel to this dread event. The verb βδελυσσομα is to feel nausea because of stench, to abhor, to detest. Idolatry was a stench to God (Luke 16:15; Revelation 17:4). Josephus tells us that the Romans burned the temple and offered sacrifices to their ensigns placed by the eastern gate when they proclaimed Titus as Emperor. ...

Flee unto the mountains (φευγετωσαν εις τα ορη). The mountains east of the Jordan. Eusebius (H.E. iii,5,3) says that the Christians actually fled to Pella at the foot of the mountains about seventeen miles south of the Sea of Galilee. They remembered the warning of Jesus and fled for safety.

Why would a Christian flee to the mountains, if they are being raptured?

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/rwp/matthew-24.html
https://www.studylight.org/study-desk.html?q1=lu+17:26-30&t1=eng_nas&sr=1

The word Rapture is not used in Matthew 24, nor is it used in Noah's Flood.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

1. to take to (cf. παρά, IV. 1), to take with oneself, to join to oneself: τινα, an associate, a companion, Matthew 17:1; Matthew 26:37; Mark 4:36; Mark 5:40; Mark 9:2; Mark 10:32; Luke 9:10, 28; Luke 11:26; Luke 18:31; Acts 15:39; in the passive, Matthew 24:40, 41; Luke 17:34-36; one to be led off as a prisoner, John 19:16; Acts 23:18; https://biblehub.com/greek/3880.htm

This supports a man being forced into military service in 70 AD.


"The abomination of desolation (το βδελυγμα της ερεμωσεως). An allusion to Daniel 9:27; Daniel 11:31; Daniel 12:11. Antiochus Epiphanes erected an altar to Zeus on the altar of Jehovah (1Macc. 1:54,59; 6:7; 2Macc. 6:1-5). The desolation in the mind of Jesus is apparently the Roman army (Luke 21:20) in the temple, an application of the words of Daniel to this dread event. The verb βδελυσσομα is to feel nausea because of stench, to abhor, to detest. Idolatry was a stench to God (Luke 16:15; Revelation 17:4). Josephus tells us that the Romans burned the temple and offered sacrifices to their ensigns placed by the eastern gate when they proclaimed Titus as Emperor. ...

Flee unto the mountains (φευγετωσαν εις τα ορη). The mountains east of the Jordan. Eusebius (H.E. iii,5,3) says that the Christians actually fled to Pella at the foot of the mountains about seventeen miles south of the Sea of Galilee. They remembered the warning of Jesus and fled for safety.

Why would a Christian flee to the mountains, if they are being raptured?

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/rwp/matthew-24.html
https://www.studylight.org/study-desk.html?q1=lu+17:26-30&t1=eng_nas&sr=1

What is sounds like you are referring to is a mixture of Matt.24:15 when the abomination that causes the desolation of Jerusalem which is set up in the temple, the fleeing of the woman/Israel in Rev.12 and Rev.18 where God is calling His people out of the religious system of Mystery, Babylon the Great. None of these have anything to do with the gathering of the church. For all of those events take place during the time of God's wrath.

oil is a symbol of the Holy Spirit.

It is worldwide.

Of course the Jews are ushered to safety.

And surly some amazon tribe carries on as usual.

But how do you reconcile " every man, woman, and child"

Further, only the 144k are sealed against the flying scorpions.

So actually , the mark is worldwide, but the sword from Jesus is limited to the ac's army.

The word " hammer" was not used in the crucifiction. Therefore i contend one never existed. They drilled holes in his feet and hands and hung them on predriven nails.

You framed all that outside the rapture verses

rev 14 alone refutes your claim.

Do you consider some (many) of the saints rising up from the graves at the time of Jesus' death on the cross a rapture? (Matt 27:52) It was a resurrection; wasn't it? Although it did not include King David. That I don't know why.