Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

[Absolutely]

What I've said in that long post (you apparently did not read, nor my Post #4 I linked) is that "WATCH AND BE READY" (your phrase; which is actually a combination of two separate verses) is NOT a "RAPTURE" CONTEXT (Matt24:42-44 and context, and ITS PARALLEL Lk12:37-40 and context--where the latter of these two SHOWS US it is referring to "when he will RETURN FROM THE WEDDING"... Not "TO BE MARRIED" in this context ... He's ALREADY BEEN "MARRIED," by that [/this] point in the chronology, coz these are "Second Coming TO THE EARTH" [Rev19] references... NOT "RAPTURE [IN THE AIR]" contexts).

Watch and be ready.

Lot
Noah
One taken/left
Watch and be ready
All in the latter part of mat 24

Then in the same breath

Mat 24 ...THE 10 virgins.

Some ready some not. ( in the same breath as "b 4 the flood")

It is vividly picturing the rapture

VIVIDLY

 

[cv5]

No it isnt.
Far from it.
It says "BEFORE THE FLOOD"

THEN...."ONE TAKEN/LEFT"

THEN WATCH AND BE READY.

Be ready to be left????

Not only that, but the same ratio of 50% is raptured as in the virgin parable.

( seems to me, if i remember correctly, you also mis apply that dynamic also and the marriage supper)

Read this and explain how those taken to judgement BEFORE THE FLOOD/TRIB are told to watch and be ready. Or how in the world the goodman of the house has half of it removed to judgement. And is told he would not have had it happen if he watched and was ready.???

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Nope

You painted yourself in a corner.

Abs.......the text is saying that absolutely nothing is happening before the flood. Other than people going about their business oblivious to the approaching judgment. All of the action is taking place in the midst of the flood. There is no rapture anywhere in that mix....

 

[Absolutely]

Abs.......the text is saying that absolutely nothing is happening before the flood. Other than people going about their business oblivious to the approaching judgment. All of the action is taking place in the midst of the flood. There is no rapture anywhere in that mix....

Noah went into the ark before the flood

The only gathering in that story. The only removal.
The only timeframe.

Jesus exact words are "before the flood"
Before the flood is how Jesus framed the noah vs the world dynamic.
And immediately injects one taken/left as well as "be ready"
Then in the same breath is the 10 virgins capped off by "be ready".

You are telling me none of that is true?

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

No, I think the 10 represent ALL Christendom (10 means COMPLETENESS) and Jesus is telling us 50 percent are not ready for the Rapture, thus they will be left on earth. Remember, Jesus said he will tell some, I never knew you, depart from me. Me being honest, I can see half of our so-called Church on earth right not being of Christ, priests marrying homosexuals, backslidden people, etc., etc. So I see 5 as missing the Wedding, and the reason there will be gnashing of teeth is those 5 have to go through the tribulation, many will be weak and take the Mark of the Beast. But, they can make heaven by rededicating their lives, and HIDING real good, or becoming a Martyr for Jesus. Bedtime for me.

I think you do not take into account the significance of the shutting of the door. If the door is shut and you are on the outside, it's the end for you. Not you personally, but the examples are God shut Noah and his family in the ark and there was no way for anyone outside to enter.

Nor will there be any way for anyone to enter once the door is shut on them.

 

[Absolutely]

What I've said in that long post (you apparently did not read, nor my Post #4 I linked) is that "WATCH AND BE READY" (your phrase; which is actually a combination of two separate verses) is NOT a "RAPTURE" CONTEXT (Matt24:42-44 and context, and ITS PARALLEL Lk12:37-40 and context--where the latter of these two SHOWS US it is referring to "when he will RETURN FROM THE WEDDING"... Not "TO BE MARRIED" in this context ... He's ALREADY BEEN "MARRIED," by that [/this] point in the chronology, coz these are "Second Coming TO THE EARTH" [Rev19] references... NOT "RAPTURE [IN THE AIR]" contexts).

You are apparrently saying the following is the second coming on white horses?
36.....return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?

You think that is the coming on white horses?

 

[Absolutely]

I think you do not take into account the significance of the shutting of the door. If the door is shut and you are on the outside, it's the end for you. Not you personally, but the examples are God shut Noah and his family in the ark and there was no way for anyone outside to enter.

Nor will there be any way for anyone to enter once the door is shut on them.

they get martyred.
It says all are killed that refuse the mark.

They are seated later....at the supper....in heaven.

Another group gets seated even later. Rev 14's gathering with a sickle

 

[Absolutely]

Jesus firstfruits

Main harvest

Corners

Gleaners

Harvest is 4 parts.

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

they get martyred.
It says all are killed that refuse the mark.

They are seated later....at the supper....in heaven.

Another group gets seated even later. Rev 14's gathering with a sickle

I'm sorry. Where is the part that the foolish virgins are "martyred?" It may be obvious to you, but not to me. Those outside of the ark weren't martyred. They don't seem to me as part of the "gathering."

And God does not use the term "foolish" to describe any of his elect. To my knowledge. But, I could be missing something. That's not outside the realm of possibility.

 

[cv5]

Noah went into the ark before the flood

The only gathering in that story. The only removal.
The only timeframe.

Jesus exact words are "before the flood"
Before the flood is how Jesus framed the noah vs the world dynamic.
And immediately injects one taken/left as well as "be ready"
Then in the same breath is the 10 virgins capped off by "be ready".

You are telling me none of that is true?

I don't want to go to far afield with these particular passages in the text. In the framework of Matthew 24 and Jesus' reference to the flood, there certainly is no rapture at all indicated. The text does not indicate in any way that people are snatched BEFORE the flood occurs. All of the action is taking place in the midst of the flood.

 

[Runningman]

Left Behind Secret Rapture is a lie made up by Satan.

Remember, Left Behind Secret Rapture and rapture are two different things.

The bottom link talks about the rapture and what is rapture.

http://testallthings.com/2010/05/31/when-is-the-rapture/


The Word of God says that Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation.
Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27, John 17:15

We don't know the exact day, time and hour of the Real Jesus Christ 2nd Coming, but we do know the signs.

Before the Real Jesus Christ comes back: Great earthquake that shakes Earth and Heaven, sun shall be turned into darkness, moon into blood, stars shall withdraw their shining, heaven rolled like a scroll, every mountain and island moved out of their places, great hail out of heaven pelting on some of Satan's children on earth.

Isaiah 13:9-13, Ezekiel 38:19-23, Joel 2:10-11, Joel 2:30-32, Haggai 2:6, 21, Matthew 24:29-34, Matthew 24:35, Mark 13:24-29, Mark 13:31, Acts 2:19-20, Luke 21:25-33 and Hebrews 12:26-28, Revelation 6:12-17, Compare Daniel 7:13-14, 27, Ezekiel 13:13, Revelation 11:15-19, Revelation 16:17-21

http://repent5610.blogspot.com/2012/12/there-is-no-secret-rapture.html

If you are interested in freedom from sin and how do we receive the Holy Spirit? read below.
After God gave me the Holy Spirit, I found proof that TV, movies, novels, music, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons and Christian music words that gives messages. I found out that in them there is lying, stealing, adultery (Matthew 5:28 looking at someone with lust is adultery), fornication which is sex before marriage, revenge, murder, jealousy, pride=self-pity, hypocrisy, using God’s name in vain as a curse word, they are all idols (breaks 2nd Commandment) because most people can’t live without them and they love them more than God and more. Just read the 10 commandments for a list.

1 John 2:15 King James Version (KJV)


15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 New King James Version

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.


Now I will be preaching about how to receive the Holy Spirit and be 100% going to Heaven.

First, it’s only by the grace of God that he gives you faith in Jesus Christ in order to give up your sins. It’s only by the grace of God that he leads you to pray to him to destroy all your evil desires of watching TV or any sinful desires. When you pray to God to destroy all your evil desires of watching TV or sinful desires (Romans 6:6-7 and Galatians 5:24), Satan will intervene and extremely tempt you in watching the TV. But if it’s God’s will and if you are one of God’s elects, you will overcome it and God will destroy all your evil desires of watching TV. After God has destroyed all your evil desires of watching TV and if you are one of God’s elects, you receive the joy of the Holy Spirit for about 40 minutes. After the joy wears off, all existence of boredom no longer exists and you no longer burn out (psychology) anymore. That is when you have received the Holy Spirit.

Then it’s by the grace of God that he forgives you of your sins, as you confess and repent of your sins throughout your life which is called sanctification. But you can watch Christian stuff that don’t have sins (Like sermons) because that helps you grow more mature as a Christian spiritually and for more information about this sermon, go to spreadthegospel59.wordpress.com then go to
The short version of “To be free from sin (sin deceives and hurts everyone) and how do we receive the Holy Spirit?”

Why does God hate sin? | GotQuestions.org
What does it mean that “you were bought with a price” (1 Corinthians 6:20; 7:23)? | GotQuestions.org
Sin Will Never Make You Happy
(What does the Bible say about hypocrisy? | GotQuestions.org)
Gives thanks to God, that you are free from sin (sin deceives=never satisfied no matter how many times you do it,
gives pain, makes you guilty, go from bad to worse)
if you are one of God’s elect, to fight off self-pity is to give thanks to God for everything. What does the Bible say about self-pity? | GotQuestions.org
Is eternal security a “license” to sin? | GotQuestions.org

The reason why am hated for no reason since I were physically born and never fit in is because am one of God’s elects. (John 15:18-19)


Just so you know Jesus had to carry all of God’s elects sins and endure the punishment for God’s elects sins which is Hellfire spiritually, which is extreme love and mercy.
Go to the bottom website, for better explanation.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/jesus-eternal-punishment-hours/

I agree.

In Matthew 24, Jesus was prophesying about His future return - a future that involves the presence of the church on Earth, immediately after the tribulation. Paul, in 2 Thessalonians 2:1 confirms that the gathering to Christ at His return applies to the church, immediately after the tribulation Jesus references in Matthew 24:29-31.

The plain text reading of the scripture, just using less than a handful of verses, makes it abundantly clear the rapture is post-trib. So you definitely got it right.

Unlike the pre-tribbers and mid-tribbers, we have enough material to form a solid doctrine about when the actual return of Christ is.

 

[TheLearner]

I am lost who is on first and the other bases?

 

[FreeGrace2]

The gathering of the church is not a lie, but a promise from the Lord.

The OP doesn't say that gathering of the church is a lie. It says a pre trib secret rapture is the lie.

In both verses that mentions the "gathering" specifically, the context is the end of the age.

2 Thess 2:1-3 proves that the rapture/gathering is AFTER the Tribulation and the man of perdition revealed.

 

[TheLearner]

years ago I knew I would be out, so I ran to third base. rather stepping on first base those who were not laughing to hard decided to tag me out. somehow in the pickles I made it to first safe. The poor umpires where looking through the rule book. It turned out back then the rule book did not say you had to run to first base first. Then somehow, I manages to steal Second, Third and Home plate with some errors involved. At that point both benches and the crowd was in tears from laughing.

Q: Where is the first baseball game in the Bible?
A: In the big inning. Eve stole first, Adam stole second. Cain struck out Abel. The Giants and the Angels were rained out.

Q: Where is the first tennis match mentioned in the Bible?
A: When Joseph served in Pharaoh's court.

Question: What did God say after He created Adam?
"I can do better than that." And so, He created woman.



http://home.snu.edu/~hculbert/trivia.htm

 

[Mem]

all the wedding comparisons leave out the ordinance that the groom abstain from war for a year in order that he should 'make his wife happy'...
So following in that tradition it makes sense that when the groom comes, it is to rescue his bride from the dragon assailant, not switching her out to give him another victim, that strikes me as seemingly uncharacteristic of Him.

 

[Absolutely]

I don't want to go to far afield with these particular passages in the text. In the framework of Matthew 24 and Jesus' reference to the flood, there certainly is no rapture at all indicated. The text does not indicate in any way that people are snatched BEFORE the flood occurs. All of the action is taking place in the midst of the flood.

There is no gathering
No rescue of any kind after the flood, or , in lots case after the judgement.

Jesus used both dynamics.
In conjunction with watch and be ready.

Ready to stay????
Ready to stay in the house in sodom?

Noah was gathered BEFORE the flood= rapure
Noah was in the ark pre trib= rapture
Noah was carried over a mile into the sky = rapture

Noahs inlaws stayed behind = rapture foolish do as well.

Noah returned AFTER the flood to set up a kingdom = pretrib rapture....taken up into the sky....return AFTER the judgement

Without a doubt Noah gathered, taken into sky, family left behind, complete with "ark" being the type for heaven.

Vivid vivid vivid picture of the pretrib rapture.

 

[Absolutely]

I'm sorry. Where is the part that the foolish virgins are "martyred?" It may be obvious to you, but not to me. Those outside of the ark weren't martyred. They don't seem to me as part of the "gathering."

And God does not use the term "foolish" to describe any of his elect. To my knowledge. But, I could be missing something. That's not outside the realm of possibility.

God called the galations foolish.

The martyrs of the gt or foolish virgins are believers left behind due to foolishly not being ready.

It says all take the mark or die.

" every man, woman and child whether bond or free"

You must take it or die.

....according to the bible.

To this day nobody has read those verses
They all buck up at it everytime i post it.

Yet it is Gods word.

 

[Absolutely]

I don't want to go to far afield with these particular passages in the text. In the framework of Matthew 24 and Jesus' reference to the flood, there certainly is no rapture at all indicated. The text does not indicate in any way that people are snatched BEFORE the flood occurs. All of the action is taking place in the midst of the flood.

I do not need the marriage supper to be on heaven or earth.
The bible placed it in heaven.

That is fine with me.

The same with Noah.

The dynamics i brought out are facts. Solid bible.

 

[Mem]

Absolutely, I can't help but be sweet on you because you look like Legalos but...

that the ac 'causes' all to receive the mark or die is only an indication of his effect on those within his direct influence, which is limited in comparison to the sword which proceeds from Jesus' mouth.

 

[Absolutely]

Absolutely, I can't help but be sweet on you because you look like Legalos but...

that the ac 'causes' all to receive the mark or die is only an indication of his effect on those within his direct influence, which is limited in comparison to the sword which proceeds from Jesus' mouth.

It is worldwide.

Of course the Jews are ushered to safety.

And surly some amazon tribe carries on as usual.

But how do you reconcile " every man, woman, and child"

Further, only the 144k are sealed against the flying scorpions.

So actually , the mark is worldwide, but the sword from Jesus is limited to the ac's army.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Left Behind Secret Rapture is a lie made up by Satan.

Remember, Left Behind Secret Rapture and rapture are two different things.

The bottom link talks about the rapture and what is rapture.

http://testallthings.com/2010/05/31/when-is-the-rapture/


The Word of God says that Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation.
Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27, John 17:15

We don't know the exact day, time and hour of the Real Jesus Christ 2nd Coming, but we do know the signs.

Before the Real Jesus Christ comes back: Great earthquake that shakes Earth and Heaven, sun shall be turned into darkness, moon into blood, stars shall withdraw their shining, heaven rolled like a scroll, every mountain and island moved out of their places, great hail out of heaven pelting on some of Satan's children on earth.

Greetings,

All of those signs that you posted above take place during the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which lead up to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. Because Jesus already took upon himself God's wrath that every believer deserves satisfying it completely, God's wrath no longer rests upon us and we must therefore be gathered from the earth prior to those plagues of wrath.

You are confusing the event of the gathering of the church with the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. However, they they are two separate events which take place at different times and have different purposes.