Do agnostics go to hell?

None of the Old Testament Prophets were agnostics LOL They f Knew God and had a relationship with HIM. They had dialogue with the Living God.
None of the Old Testament Prophets were agnostics LOL They f Knew God and had a relationship with HIM. They had dialogue with the Living God.

None of the Old Testament Prophets were agnostics LOL They f Knew God and had a relationship with HIM. They had dialogue with the Living God.

That wasn’t the issue, they were saying mankind gets a 2nd chance after hell/Sheol.
The story of the Rich Man and Lazarus disproves that theory.

When the Rich man was in hell that is not to say that he was judged yet. Judgement doesn't happen before or during hell. No one spends forever in hell. The lake of fire is the final destination for some, only when the day of judgement has come. There is nothing in scripture that says a person in hell couldn't repent and find Christ. "Judgement at the moment of death" is an RCC doctrine, not scriptural.

You may not realize it but mankind has already been judged...Only through Jesus are they forgiven.

John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

That's right...

And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. (Rev 20:13)

Arguing from silence is an eternal gamble, especially in the light of such verses as this...

And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him. (Heb 9:27-28)

Judgment before death is what I mentioned above, besides, a 2nd chance in hell sounds more like Purgatory, now that is an RCC doctrine!

that is true those who have not come to the saving knowledge of the lord yet are already on their way to Hell.

You’d think that would end the debate, but oh no, our fallen logic will still find ways around it.

Condemned, but the judgement has not yet been made. Clearly an unbeliever can become a believer, therefore this status can change up until the day of judgement. Think about how John 3:18 applies.

You still have not presented any passage that clearly indicates that judgement occurs before judgement day, nor that bodily death is the moment of judgement. Being in hell isn't judgement.

Death and hell.

"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works." - Rev 20:13 KJV


No. The passage says a man dies. After death comes judgement. Revelation 20:13 places that judgement on the day of judgement. Not before death. Not at the moment of death. Not the millisecond after death... But very clearly: on judgement day.

You can make a strawman all you want, there is nothing in scripture that says that a man can't turn to Christ while in hell. There is nothing to say that most people don't spend some time in hell as part of the transformation.

"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed" - 1 Corinthians 15:51

Right,
Hebrews 9:27 (KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Try this (of course you are already set in your ways)...

Psalm 115:17 (KJV) The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Waaa? Why a rapture verse?

How about giving me a clear verse showing the unbeliever has a second chance?

Luke 16:25 is indeed a depiction of hell and the conditions of life that brought someone to hell, but that is not the final judgement. There is nothing to indicate how the rich man would eventually be judged on the judgement day, when the dead are brought out of hell. We can speculate, but there is nothing to indicate that the rich man is necessarily excluded from the opportunity to accept Christ while in hell.

Do you think basing from your arguments that the best way to save humanity from hell is by abortions? If God fully knew them in the womb , then that makes them perfectly human and their death before being born indirectly saved them from hell. Therefore , suggesting that there is a sure way that a man can be saved from hell - abortions. Do you agree?
And why i call it a sure way based on what you have written? It is because, the unborn can't be blamed if they don't believe in Christ because they were never born into the world to have matured and have the mind to reject or accept Him as their Savior. Therefore , not even giving them the choice, they are being saved?
So why do you think abortion is such a huge problem when their eternities are being secured?
If hell is an awful place and if you would truly love your fellow humans and not want them to suffer eternal pain...then don't you think helping them not go there is nothing but an act of love? regardless of the means.

Who wants to be glorified?. all people want is peace and happiness and to avoid the eternal horror of hell . But LO and BEHOLD> Christians preach that they will go to hell if they don't accept Christ as their Saviour indirectly implying that many babies and mentally sick who can't make a decision are the ones that can be saved apart from those who make the decision of choosing Christ.Basically saying that abortion and being mentally ill is a ticket to being saved without being questioned because these didn't have the mental maturity to make a decision. Therefore implying that having mental immaturity is actually a gift?!

Who wants to be glorified?. all people want is peace and happiness and to avoid the eternal horror of hell . But LO and BEHOLD> Christians preach that they will go to hell if they don't accept Christ as their Saviour indirectly implying that many babies and mentally sick who can't make a decision are the ones that can be saved apart from those who make the decision of choosing Christ.Basically saying that abortion and being mentally ill is a ticket to being saved without being questioned because these didn't have the mental maturity to make a decision. Therefore implying that having mental immaturity is actually a gift?!

Equally we could say that they didn't have the mental faculties to reject the salvation offered to the world.

Matthew 19:14 (KJV) But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

'little children' (paidon), very small child.

But abortion is still judged as murder.

"For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear." - Mark 4:28

Clearly, Mark 4:28 doesn't mean that the moment an ear forms that it is immediately full of corn. Why would you assume that the judgement after death means that it is immediately after death? Especially when that judgement is explained in Revelation. To say that the judgement happens immediately after death is to shoehorn a favoured interpretation at the expense of the book of Revelation.

Drop the personal attacks.

crossnote said:

Psalm 115:17 (KJV) The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Click to expand...

Digging back into the OT. Interesting, but is praise required for salvation? No.

On a further look, there is an interesting line that does play well with the concept of being judged by life's works:

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." - 2 Corinthians 5:10

But, when considered in conjunction with the trial by fire, it makes sense:

"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." 1 Corinthians 3:11-15

Beyond even the dividing line between saved and not saved, there is a spectrum that those that are saved fall onto. Even those that are saved should strive to be better so that they may save and retain more of themselves. Those that categorically are saved may not have much reward by the outcome of judgement.

The chapter is a discussion of transformation after death and the resurrection. I'm not familiar with your theory of rapture.

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Romans 8:38-39

"And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." - Acts 16:31

You said God holds the parent responsible for not teaching them about God
What about orphans then?

By definition ....."orphan"....there are no parents to hold responsible...to us.
However, God knows the parents and yes they will be held responsible...in some form...determined by our Just God.

Sure: nothing aside from a great chasm that has been fixed between two groups
of people, so that even those who wish cannot cross from one side to another.

To say otherwise is to reject the very words of Jesus Christ Himself.

There is nothing clear about that. You are taking an illustration Jesus used to show the growth of the Kingdom of Heaven to defend a 2nd chance after we die? I'm not buying it.
That was a compliment as much as an attack. Convictions are good if based in His Word.
Praise is the result of salvation and the saved don't die.
Do you know what entering into His rest means? There is no more striving.
The rapture isn't a theory, it is Scripture...

But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.
(1Th 4:13-18)

I'm sorry, I meant a second chance after the unbeliever dies. Show me your strongest verse.