When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?
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I fail to understand why you all fight so hard against a simple reading of the Text? It is written very plainly that a search was conducted and "no man was found."
That means that at the time, JESUS was not worthy to take the book and open the seals.
Again, why is this so difficult to believe?
Do you all struggle with John 3:16 in the same way?
That means that at the time, JESUS was not worthy to take the book and open the seals.
Again, why is this so difficult to believe?
Do you all struggle with John 3:16 in the same way?
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isa 45:15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.
Rev 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
Now you are just playing games: these are all nothing but red herrings.
Let's get back to the real question: WHY was Jesus not found in that first search? (Hint: He was not hiding!)
Isa 45:15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.
Rev 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
Now you are just playing games: these are all nothing but red herrings.
Let's get back to the real question: WHY was Jesus not found in that first search? (Hint: He was not hiding!)
In Post #39, I'd put the following LINK to another thread post...
Post #64 - https://christianchat.com/threads/revelation-study.198143/post-4522228
... where there is a 9:15-min video telling about how:
[basically, in my words...]
--of the 24 [total] manuscripts available (of the Greek) of Revelation chpt 5 [and VERSE 9 IN PARTICULAR], 23 of them have it as "US [G2248 - hemas]" and only ONE manuscript (the only other one) leaves it blank [/untranslated]. (That ONE manuscript [of 24 total manuscripts (Rev5)] that leaves it blank/untranslated is the "Codex Alexandrinus".)
[end quoting past post excerpt]
I was wondering if you could read that Post #64 (at LINK ^ ), LISTEN to the video [ignore the part where he stumbles over his words briefly, lol], and tell me what [of the info supplied therein] that it is that you DISAGREE with in that video. It would really help me out. = )
Post #64 - https://christianchat.com/threads/revelation-study.198143/post-4522228
... where there is a 9:15-min video telling about how:
[basically, in my words...]
--of the 24 [total] manuscripts available (of the Greek) of Revelation chpt 5 [and VERSE 9 IN PARTICULAR], 23 of them have it as "US [G2248 - hemas]" and only ONE manuscript (the only other one) leaves it blank [/untranslated]. (That ONE manuscript [of 24 total manuscripts (Rev5)] that leaves it blank/untranslated is the "Codex Alexandrinus".)
[end quoting past post excerpt]
I was wondering if you could read that Post #64 (at LINK ^ ), LISTEN to the video [ignore the part where he stumbles over his words briefly, lol], and tell me what [of the info supplied therein] that it is that you DISAGREE with in that video. It would really help me out. = )
It means that a "searching judgment" has taken place, and it involved "[ppl] in heaven... in earth... under the earth"...
JESUS was the ONLY ONE "worthy" (to open the scroll / book)
["the Lion of the tribe of Judah... hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof"... [OT refs-->] "Judah is my lawgiver [/scepter]"--see also Heb1:8]
JESUS was the ONLY ONE "worthy" (to open the scroll / book)
["the Lion of the tribe of Judah... hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof"... [OT refs-->] "Judah is my lawgiver [/scepter]"--see also Heb1:8]
I was not being sarcastic. In general, "He is never not worthy." But we were not talking in general terms. We were talking about a specific verse:
2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy [including Jesus at this time] to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Notice WHERE this angel looked: in heaven, then in the earth, then under the earth. Where else is there? The idea is, he looked EVERYWHERE.
The intent of verses 3 & 4 are that no man anywhere was found worthy TO TAKE THE BOOK and open the seals. (the worthiness or unworthiness is only related to the BOOK.)
Why do you fight so against this verse? Why not just believe it? It is SCRIPTURE!
2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy [including Jesus at this time] to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Notice WHERE this angel looked: in heaven, then in the earth, then under the earth. Where else is there? The idea is, he looked EVERYWHERE.
The intent of verses 3 & 4 are that no man anywhere was found worthy TO TAKE THE BOOK and open the seals. (the worthiness or unworthiness is only related to the BOOK.)
Why do you fight so against this verse? Why not just believe it? It is SCRIPTURE!
I did. I posted them. Did you not read my response?
Again I ask: why is it so difficult for you to believe this verse?
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Do you just not understand these simple words? Or is it you just can't believe that at this time Jesus was not worthy to take the book and open the seals?
Again I ask: why is it so difficult for you to believe this verse?
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Do you just not understand these simple words? Or is it you just can't believe that at this time Jesus was not worthy to take the book and open the seals?
It means that a "searching judgment" has taken place, and it involved "[ppl] in heaven... in earth... under the earth"...
JESUS was the ONLY ONE "worthy" (to open the scroll / book)
["the Lion of the tribe of Judah... hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof"... [OT refs-->] "Judah is my lawgiver [/scepter]"--see also Heb1:8]
JESUS was the ONLY ONE "worthy" (to open the scroll / book)
["the Lion of the tribe of Judah... hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof"... [OT refs-->] "Judah is my lawgiver [/scepter]"--see also Heb1:8]
I am sorry you can't understand the real question.
WHY did John write "no man was found worthy" at that point in time? You think God was hiding! How funny!
Why not read ahead and see that Jesus WAS found in the NEXT or a subsequent search. That would assist you in answering why. WHAT HAPPENED between these two searches? John gives us hints.
WHY did John write "no man was found worthy" at that point in time? You think God was hiding! How funny!
Why not read ahead and see that Jesus WAS found in the NEXT or a subsequent search. That would assist you in answering why. WHAT HAPPENED between these two searches? John gives us hints.