When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?
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yeah let's ignore Lazarus for example. 
but if resurrecting yourself is what makes you worthy to open the seal, then only God can open the seal, and 'no one was found' means God was not found - and God is never "not" existing, so this is talking about God being hidden as was previously explained. not about God needing to "improve Himself" and "become worthy" -- Jesus Christ is God and is never not God
He revealed Himself long before He laid down His life and took it up again, but only to those He chose to reveal Himself to ((Luke 10:22 etc)) -- but in Revelation 6 it is angels searching and not finding; angels He has hidden Himself from.
therefore there is a necessary question: when did the angels understand that there is not only God the Father, but also God the Son? it has to be before Agur ((Proverbs 30:4)) and i will contend that it is Genesis 1:26.
you're darn right that you need more Bible than Revelation 4-5 to understand what you are reading
you need all 65 of the books before it in order to comprehend the 66th
but if resurrecting yourself is what makes you worthy to open the seal, then only God can open the seal, and 'no one was found' means God was not found - and God is never "not" existing, so this is talking about God being hidden as was previously explained. not about God needing to "improve Himself" and "become worthy" -- Jesus Christ is God and is never not God
He revealed Himself long before He laid down His life and took it up again, but only to those He chose to reveal Himself to ((Luke 10:22 etc)) -- but in Revelation 6 it is angels searching and not finding; angels He has hidden Himself from.
therefore there is a necessary question: when did the angels understand that there is not only God the Father, but also God the Son? it has to be before Agur ((Proverbs 30:4)) and i will contend that it is Genesis 1:26.
you're darn right that you need more Bible than Revelation 4-5 to understand what you are reading
you need all 65 of the books before it in order to comprehend the 66th
Quite the opposite, I confirmed what my Lord JESUS said, and you deny Him because you do not understand His speech, and believe not in Him because you cannot hear His word. And because He tells the Truth, you believe not in Him.
AGAIN:
What does the Bible says, i.e. what does the Word of God say? Revelation 1: v. 19 - Write the things which thou hast seen (year 95 AD), and the things which are (year 95 AD), and the things which shall be hereafter; (future, future exclusively, only and only future, says the Word of GOD, not me).
Why don't you confirm what is written in the Bible, in the Scriptures? What does your spirit want with this mistake, making a falsification of the Word of God? and sowing a falsified message twisting the Scriptures? What you wrote is fake, a counterfeit of he Holy Scriptures.
You have started your message FOR ME, through your reply #068, with a misleading statement, worse, contradicting the Lord JESUS himself, twisting His words, twisting the Scriptures, or rather, falsifying the Word of God, falsifying the content of the message that the Father gave to JESUS. Revelation 1:v.1 . Your false premises, results or incurs false conclusions.
All things you have commented is mixed with false premises, and results or incurs false conclusions. It is very sad what you do trying to adapt the Word of God to interpretations not revealed by the Holy Spirit, but by EVIL speculations, and presumptions, and conjectures, and imaginations, and opinions, and so on.
All discussions and posts of your apostate messages, FULL OF TARES, were a waste of time. Your false premises, incurs false conclusions.
What will be the reward? Even JESUS tells us what the rewards must be. Here goes what will be the rewards that JESUS has reserved: Revelation 22:v.18 - 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, GOD shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: Well, the Word is GOD, the fulfillment is automatically.
Be careful, or take ready, the Word is GOD.
AGAIN:
What does the Bible says, i.e. what does the Word of God say? Revelation 1: v. 19 - Write the things which thou hast seen (year 95 AD), and the things which are (year 95 AD), and the things which shall be hereafter; (future, future exclusively, only and only future, says the Word of GOD, not me).
Why don't you confirm what is written in the Bible, in the Scriptures? What does your spirit want with this mistake, making a falsification of the Word of God? and sowing a falsified message twisting the Scriptures? What you wrote is fake, a counterfeit of he Holy Scriptures.
You have started your message FOR ME, through your reply #068, with a misleading statement, worse, contradicting the Lord JESUS himself, twisting His words, twisting the Scriptures, or rather, falsifying the Word of God, falsifying the content of the message that the Father gave to JESUS. Revelation 1:v.1 . Your false premises, results or incurs false conclusions.
All things you have commented is mixed with false premises, and results or incurs false conclusions. It is very sad what you do trying to adapt the Word of God to interpretations not revealed by the Holy Spirit, but by EVIL speculations, and presumptions, and conjectures, and imaginations, and opinions, and so on.
All discussions and posts of your apostate messages, FULL OF TARES, were a waste of time. Your false premises, incurs false conclusions.
What will be the reward? Even JESUS tells us what the rewards must be. Here goes what will be the rewards that JESUS has reserved: Revelation 22:v.18 - 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, GOD shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: Well, the Word is GOD, the fulfillment is automatically.
Be careful, or take ready, the Word is GOD.
Daniel 5:v.5 and 24 to 28
5 In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote.
24 Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written.
25 And this is the writing that was written, Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin.
26 This is the interpretation of the thing: Mene; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 Tekel; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 Peres; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
Proverbs 16:v.2
2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the Lord weigheth the spirits.
5 In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote.
24 Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written.
25 And this is the writing that was written, Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin.
26 This is the interpretation of the thing: Mene; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 Tekel; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 Peres; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
Proverbs 16:v.2
2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the Lord weigheth the spirits.
[reposting... hoping to better clarify...]
Note the correspondence among the following three verses:
1)--Revelation 1:1a -
"The revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM [/unto Jesus]
to show to His bond-servants
what things [G3739]
it behooves to [/must - G1163]
take place [G1096]
in quickness [noun]."
2)--Revelation 1:19c -
"Therefore write down the things you have seen, and the things that are [chpts 2-3], and
the things [G3739]
that will [mello-are 'sure/certain' to (same meaning as 'must')]
take place [G1096]
after these [things] [G3326 G3778 - meta tauta]."
3)--Revelation 4:1 -
"After these things [after 'the things WHICH ARE' in chpts 2-3--which are NOT said to be what must take place "in quickness [noun]," by contrast] I looked, and behold, a door was standing open in heaven, and the first voice that I heard like a trumpet [back in chpt 1:10-11, where Jesus had (earlier) referred to Himself as 'the FIRST and the LAST' (said while standing in the midst of the 7 candlesticks!)] was [now] speaking with me, saying [this next/distinct message, further],']
"Come up here,
and I will show to you
what [G3739]
it behooves to [must - G1163]
take place [G1096]
after these things [G3326 G3778 - meta tauta]."
[what John sees next, in chpt 4-5, is Jesus now standing "in the midst of the throne and of the 4 living creatures and in the midst of the 24 elders"... which is showing the "movement" from the one scene, in 1:10-16 ('in the midst of the 7 candlesticks'), to the other scene (in Heaven) in chpts 4-5 ('standing in the midst of the throne and... in the midst of the 24 elders')--a complete "CHANGE of location" (corresponding with: "[restraining AT PRESENT] UNTIL out of the midst he be come [/come to be]. AND THEN [kai tote]...")]
Note the correspondence among the following three verses:
1)--Revelation 1:1a -
"The revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM [/unto Jesus]
to show to His bond-servants
what things [G3739]
it behooves to [/must - G1163]
take place [G1096]
in quickness [noun]."
2)--Revelation 1:19c -
"Therefore write down the things you have seen, and the things that are [chpts 2-3], and
the things [G3739]
that will [mello-are 'sure/certain' to (same meaning as 'must')]
take place [G1096]
after these [things] [G3326 G3778 - meta tauta]."
3)--Revelation 4:1 -
"After these things [after 'the things WHICH ARE' in chpts 2-3--which are NOT said to be what must take place "in quickness [noun]," by contrast] I looked, and behold, a door was standing open in heaven, and the first voice that I heard like a trumpet [back in chpt 1:10-11, where Jesus had (earlier) referred to Himself as 'the FIRST and the LAST' (said while standing in the midst of the 7 candlesticks!)] was [now] speaking with me, saying [this next/distinct message, further],']
"Come up here,
and I will show to you
what [G3739]
it behooves to [must - G1163]
take place [G1096]
after these things [G3326 G3778 - meta tauta]."
[what John sees next, in chpt 4-5, is Jesus now standing "in the midst of the throne and of the 4 living creatures and in the midst of the 24 elders"... which is showing the "movement" from the one scene, in 1:10-16 ('in the midst of the 7 candlesticks'), to the other scene (in Heaven) in chpts 4-5 ('standing in the midst of the throne and... in the midst of the 24 elders')--a complete "CHANGE of location" (corresponding with: "[restraining AT PRESENT] UNTIL out of the midst he be come [/come to be]. AND THEN [kai tote]...")]
agreed.
so you are wrong. He did not "become worthy" as you have been trying to teach me
now that we have established your opinions are not impeccable, we can move on and look at some of your other assertions. that's good
so you are wrong. He did not "become worthy" as you have been trying to teach me
now that we have established your opinions are not impeccable, we can move on and look at some of your other assertions. that's good
Explain this verse:
5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Where was Jesus at this time? Explain why Jesus was not found here.
Sorry, but no. John was called up to heaven and saw A VISION. A vision can be of the past, present or future or all mixed together. We determine the time IN THE VISION by what was SEEN in the vision.
By the way, "I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. "
Do you see an "only" here as if God is saying He is going to show John ONLY future events?" I have searched diligently and cannot find an ONLY there anywhere - leaving God free to INCLUDE some past tense events - which He did.
"Until out of the midst he becomes" does not fit in Rev. 4:1. It is in 2 Thes. 2 concerning the departing of the church. Rev. 4:1 is concerning only JOHN around 95 AD.
Yes, it is true, after the church has departed, THEN the man of sin will be revealed. But you are mistaken in tying that verse in with John being caught up to heaven. Why not drop such sloppy exegesis and just believe what John is saying: HE was caught up in 95 AD. It has nothing to do with the church being caught up. EVERY posttribber and prewrather KNOWS THIS. Why don't you know it?
Just so you will know, John used "after this" or "after these things" 6 times in Revelation; each time as a transitional phrase to show the the vision God was showing him changes subjects. Case in point? God had dictated messages to the 7 churches, but then the FOCUS of the vision changed: God called John up so WE could have Revelation to read.
Let's stick close to what John actually wrote - shall we?
By the way, "I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. "
Do you see an "only" here as if God is saying He is going to show John ONLY future events?" I have searched diligently and cannot find an ONLY there anywhere - leaving God free to INCLUDE some past tense events - which He did.
"Until out of the midst he becomes" does not fit in Rev. 4:1. It is in 2 Thes. 2 concerning the departing of the church. Rev. 4:1 is concerning only JOHN around 95 AD.
Yes, it is true, after the church has departed, THEN the man of sin will be revealed. But you are mistaken in tying that verse in with John being caught up to heaven. Why not drop such sloppy exegesis and just believe what John is saying: HE was caught up in 95 AD. It has nothing to do with the church being caught up. EVERY posttribber and prewrather KNOWS THIS. Why don't you know it?
Just so you will know, John used "after this" or "after these things" 6 times in Revelation; each time as a transitional phrase to show the the vision God was showing him changes subjects. Case in point? God had dictated messages to the 7 churches, but then the FOCUS of the vision changed: God called John up so WE could have Revelation to read.
Let's stick close to what John actually wrote - shall we?
yeah let's ignore Lazarus for example.
but if resurrecting yourself is what makes you worthy to open the seal, then only God can open the seal, and 'no one was found' means God was not found - and God is never "not" existing, so this is talking about God being hidden as was previously explained. not about God needing to "improve Himself" and "become worthy" -- Jesus Christ is God and is never not God
He revealed Himself long before He laid down His life and took it up again, but only to those He chose to reveal Himself to ((Luke 10:22 etc)) -- but in Revelation 6 it is angels searching and not finding; angels He has hidden Himself from.
therefore there is a necessary question: when did the angels understand that there is not only God the Father, but also God the Son? it has to be before Agur ((Proverbs 30:4)) and i will contend that it is Genesis 1:26.
you're darn right that you need more Bible than Revelation 4-5 to understand what you are reading
you need all 65 of the books before it in order to comprehend the 66th
but if resurrecting yourself is what makes you worthy to open the seal, then only God can open the seal, and 'no one was found' means God was not found - and God is never "not" existing, so this is talking about God being hidden as was previously explained. not about God needing to "improve Himself" and "become worthy" -- Jesus Christ is God and is never not God
He revealed Himself long before He laid down His life and took it up again, but only to those He chose to reveal Himself to ((Luke 10:22 etc)) -- but in Revelation 6 it is angels searching and not finding; angels He has hidden Himself from.
therefore there is a necessary question: when did the angels understand that there is not only God the Father, but also God the Son? it has to be before Agur ((Proverbs 30:4)) and i will contend that it is Genesis 1:26.
you're darn right that you need more Bible than Revelation 4-5 to understand what you are reading
you need all 65 of the books before it in order to comprehend the 66th
First off, John did not tell us what was written on the outside of the book, supposedly as to who could open it. All we have to go on is what was said AFTER Jesus was found worthy.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Notice the preposition "for:" it is there for a purpose: to show us WHY or HOW Jesus was worthy. What does this verse say? "thou wast slain and has redeemed us by they blood. Was "slain" the end of the story? No, the resurrection came 3 days later.
Are you prepared to argue that this verse is lying to us - not truth?
The phrase "was found" (5:4) speaks to the idea that a "searching judgment" has taken place.
Revelation 5:4 V-AIP-3S
GRK: οὐδεὶς ἄξιος εὑρέθη ἀνοῖξαι τὸ
NAS: no one was found worthy
KJV: no man was found worthy
INT: no one worthy was found to open the
Same word used in the following two verses (in the "things WHCH ARE" section):
Revelation 2:2 V-AIA-2S
GRK: εἰσίν καὶ εὗρες αὐτοὺς ψευδεῖς
NAS: apostles, and they are not, and you found them [to be] FALSE;
KJV: not, and hast found them liars:
INT: are and did find them liars
Revelation 3:2 V-RIA-1S
GRK: οὐ γὰρ εὕρηκά σου τὰ
NAS: to die; for I have not found your deeds
KJV: I have not found thy works
INT: not indeed I have found your
[note that THIS ^ verse, is not conveying "I can't find your works anywhere, they are nowhere to be seen" but rather, "the ones I see are crummy... because I have seen them, and I've judged them to be so" ]
Same word used of Paul, when he was brought before their "human / earthly-located" bema (court scene) in Acts 23-24.
Now the next question is, what is the "purpose" of the scroll? (to redeem mankind, or to more related to "the earth / the land [governance of]" title kind of stuff?--recall, I'd mentioned how "the four living creatures" correspond [description-wise] with the "four-directional plotment" of Israel, per the OT... so I believe this RELATES to their "earthly" promises, and again see Rev11:4 "God of the earth" [see parallels in OT], and noting that the word "earth" seems to occur "70x" in Rev... )
Revelation 5:4 V-AIP-3S
GRK: οὐδεὶς ἄξιος εὑρέθη ἀνοῖξαι τὸ
NAS: no one was found worthy
KJV: no man was found worthy
INT: no one worthy was found to open the
Same word used in the following two verses (in the "things WHCH ARE" section):
Revelation 2:2 V-AIA-2S
GRK: εἰσίν καὶ εὗρες αὐτοὺς ψευδεῖς
NAS: apostles, and they are not, and you found them [to be] FALSE;
KJV: not, and hast found them liars:
INT: are and did find them liars
Revelation 3:2 V-RIA-1S
GRK: οὐ γὰρ εὕρηκά σου τὰ
NAS: to die; for I have not found your deeds
KJV: I have not found thy works
INT: not indeed I have found your
[note that THIS ^ verse, is not conveying "I can't find your works anywhere, they are nowhere to be seen" but rather, "the ones I see are crummy... because I have seen them, and I've judged them to be so"
]Same word used of Paul, when he was brought before their "human / earthly-located" bema (court scene) in Acts 23-24.
Now the next question is, what is the "purpose" of the scroll? (to redeem mankind, or to more related to "the earth / the land [governance of]" title kind of stuff?--recall, I'd mentioned how "the four living creatures" correspond [description-wise] with the "four-directional plotment" of Israel, per the OT... so I believe this RELATES to their "earthly" promises, and again see Rev11:4 "God of the earth" [see parallels in OT], and noting that the word "earth" seems to occur "70x" in Rev...
)What does this have to do with the 16 (other than the white horse) uses John wrote?
Revelation 1:14
His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Revelation 2:17
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Revelation 3:4
Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Revelation 4:4
And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
Revelation 6:11
And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Revelation 7:13
And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 14:14
And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Revelation 15:6
And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
Revelation 19:8
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Revelation 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Revelation 19:14
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Revelation 20:11
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Please, be my guest! Find ONE USE of what here that represents evil. If you think John would use white this way 16 times, then once for evil, I cannot change your thinking.
If you care to tell us why leprosy turns white, I will read it.
Revelation 1:14
His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Revelation 2:17
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Revelation 3:4
Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Revelation 4:4
And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
Revelation 6:11
And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Revelation 7:13
And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 14:14
And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Revelation 15:6
And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
Revelation 19:8
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Revelation 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Revelation 19:14
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Revelation 20:11
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Please, be my guest! Find ONE USE of what here that represents evil. If you think John would use white this way 16 times, then once for evil, I cannot change your thinking.
If you care to tell us why leprosy turns white, I will read it.
The phrase "was found" (5:4) speaks to the idea that a "searching judgment" has taken place.
Revelation 5:4 V-AIP-3S
GRK: οὐδεὶς ἄξιος εὑρέθη ἀνοῖξαι τὸ
NAS: no one was found worthy
KJV: no man was found worthy
INT: no one worthy was found to open the
Same word used in the following two verses (in the "things WHCH ARE" section):
Revelation 2:2 V-AIA-2S
GRK: εἰσίν καὶ εὗρες αὐτοὺς ψευδεῖς
NAS: apostles, and they are not, and you found them [to be] FALSE;
KJV: not, and hast found them liars:
INT: are and did find them liars
Revelation 3:2 V-RIA-1S
GRK: οὐ γὰρ εὕρηκά σου τὰ
NAS: to die; for I have not found your deeds
KJV: I have not found thy works
INT: not indeed I have found your
[note that THIS ^ verse, is not conveying "I can't find your works anywhere, they are nowhere to be seen" but rather, "the ones I see are crummy... because I have seen them, and I've judged them to be so" ]
Same word used of Paul, when he was brought before their "human / earthly-located" bema (court scene) in Acts 23-24.
Now the next question is, what is the "purpose" of the scroll? (to redeem mankind, or to more related to "the earth / the land [governance of]" title kind of stuff?--recall, I'd mentioned how "the four living creatures" correspond [description-wise] with the "four-directional plotment" of Israel, per the OT... so I believe this RELATES to their "earthly" promises, and again see Rev11:4 "God of the earth" [see parallels in OT], and noting that the word "earth" seems to occur "70x" in Rev... )
Revelation 5:4 V-AIP-3S
GRK: οὐδεὶς ἄξιος εὑρέθη ἀνοῖξαι τὸ
NAS: no one was found worthy
KJV: no man was found worthy
INT: no one worthy was found to open the
Same word used in the following two verses (in the "things WHCH ARE" section):
Revelation 2:2 V-AIA-2S
GRK: εἰσίν καὶ εὗρες αὐτοὺς ψευδεῖς
NAS: apostles, and they are not, and you found them [to be] FALSE;
KJV: not, and hast found them liars:
INT: are and did find them liars
Revelation 3:2 V-RIA-1S
GRK: οὐ γὰρ εὕρηκά σου τὰ
NAS: to die; for I have not found your deeds
KJV: I have not found thy works
INT: not indeed I have found your
[note that THIS ^ verse, is not conveying "I can't find your works anywhere, they are nowhere to be seen" but rather, "the ones I see are crummy... because I have seen them, and I've judged them to be so"
]Same word used of Paul, when he was brought before their "human / earthly-located" bema (court scene) in Acts 23-24.
Now the next question is, what is the "purpose" of the scroll? (to redeem mankind, or to more related to "the earth / the land [governance of]" title kind of stuff?--recall, I'd mentioned how "the four living creatures" correspond [description-wise] with the "four-directional plotment" of Israel, per the OT... so I believe this RELATES to their "earthly" promises, and again see Rev11:4 "God of the earth" [see parallels in OT], and noting that the word "earth" seems to occur "70x" in Rev...
)
Don't forget to include the part that the "FOR" also pertains to:
"and hast redeemed [/ hast purchased] US to God by thy blood out-of EVERY..."
[do you think this ^ has anything to do with "unto the day of redemption" and "the redemption of the 'purchased-possession'" (<--that's us / 'the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY'--ALL those saved 'in this present age [singular]')]
"and hast redeemed [/ hast purchased] US to God by thy blood out-of EVERY..."
[do you think this ^ has anything to do with "unto the day of redemption" and "the redemption of the 'purchased-possession'" (<--that's us / 'the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY'--ALL those saved 'in this present age [singular]')]
Quote=Lamad] Where was Jesus at this time? Explain why Jesus was not found here. [/quote]
22 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”
Please explain how verse 22 answers the questions as to where Jesus was when that first search was carried out.
22 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”
Please explain how verse 22 answers the questions as to where Jesus was when that first search was carried out.