Very concerned about Hebrews 10:26 (New Member)

Good day, UnnamedConcerned,

Those who told you that Heb.10:26 is referring to apostasy are correct.

As believers, we are being transformed into the image of Christ which is a life-long process. We are always in the process of overcoming the acts of the sinful nature, which is what the letters to the seven churches is about, i.e. overcoming. As the scripture states, 'if we claim that we have no sin (as believers) we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."

However, Heb.10:26 is not talking about the sins we commit out of weakness while we walk in Christ, but is speaking about those who would turn back to willfully, purposely live according to the sinful nature. Notice the word used in the beginning of the verse:

"If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth"

It is speaking in reference to abandoning ones faith and going back to willfully living according to the sinful nature and remaining in and and dying in that state. Consider the following scritpure:

"My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, consider this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and cover over a multitude of sins. ."

James says "My brothers" which would be addressing believers, men and woman. Notice that the person in that wandered state is accumulating a multitude of sins and is on their way to death. However, if they turn back, repenting of it, God will forgive them covering over a multitude of sins that they would have accumulated in that state.

The important thing to remember here, is that the scripture is not speaking about believers who sin as they continue in their walk in Christ. Those who do so confess them and continue on knowing that they are forgiven because the blood of Christ covers them.

"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us."

If your heart is turned to God and you are walking in Christ, then when you sin, confess it and move on, knowing that you have been forgiven. Remember Satan can can attempt to make you believe otherwise.

Anyone who says that he commits no sin as a believer in Christ is deceiving themselves. The sinful nature will always be with us until the Lord comes to gather His church, where at which time we will become immortal and glorified. In the mean time, the believer is being transformed into the image of Christ. But you can't do that if you turn back into the world, deliberately fulfilling the desires of the sinful nature and remaining there.

Good afternoon. I grew up christian, but didn't go to church, didn't live much different. September last year I started going to church.(OPC)
I went for about 2.5-3 months, and started praying, and then the Holy Spirit came into my life. For the first 2 weeks, I was just IN LOVE with God.
I stopped swearing very quickly, the hate in my heart went away, my talk otherwise cleaned up. That went away, (being IN LOVE with God, I think Satan got involved) and I got very anxious and depressed. I cut out everything bad in my life that were obvious, visible sins. Stopped watching ungodly TV, radio, etc. Looked away from any woman when driving down the road. I still struggled, but overall I was really trying, which might have fed my pride, which I prayed about.
There were times of great peace, when I truly felt like everything made sense, Christ died for my sins,etc. I confessed my sins and the guilt started going away, though I don't know if I have saving faith. I was starting to walk in grace a bit, when I realized I made a mistake, I'd confess it. I tended to focus on the worst versus in the Bible, Parable of the Sower, Hebrews 10:26, etc. I also just started reading The Pilgrims Progress, and the man in the cage stood out to me. On Thursday (last week), I was on my phone, and got this conviction that I shouldn't be. I finished the email and repented, but everything felt HORRIBLE. Like the Holy Spirit had left me. I feel hard. For a few days, I felt extremely empty, but now I feel sort of normal. I've struggled I feel very convinced that I'm hell bound. I've talked to 3 pastors and another man I trust, and they think I'll be fine. They mostly think that 10:26 applies to apostacy, but the way it reads, I don't like it. What are your thoughts?. Thank you

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No thats the spin people put on the ' sealing of the Holy Spirit UNTO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION. It doesn't say ' until we sin lots , or ' until we wander 'ect . This is forced into the text. Just like 'Nothing can separate you from the love of God " What gets forced into these verses is " ah but we can separate ourselves " ' Ah but we can jump out of his hand " , Its like the verses cannot possibly mean what they say . The doctrine of conditional salvation gets forced into every assurance verse.

Are you saved now or not ?

The “we” in every place identifies a HEBREW who is writing to Hebrews.

Good afternoon. I grew up christian, but didn't go to church, didn't live much different. September last year I started going to church.(OPC)
I went for about 2.5-3 months, and started praying, and then the Holy Spirit came into my life. For the first 2 weeks, I was just IN LOVE with God.
I stopped swearing very quickly, the hate in my heart went away, my talk otherwise cleaned up. That went away, (being IN LOVE with God, I think Satan got involved) and I got very anxious and depressed. I cut out everything bad in my life that were obvious, visible sins. Stopped watching ungodly TV, radio, etc. Looked away from any woman when driving down the road. I still struggled, but overall I was really trying, which might have fed my pride, which I prayed about.
There were times of great peace, when I truly felt like everything made sense, Christ died for my sins,etc. I confessed my sins and the guilt started going away, though I don't know if I have saving faith. I was starting to walk in grace a bit, when I realized I made a mistake, I'd confess it. I tended to focus on the worst versus in the Bible, Parable of the Sower, Hebrews 10:26, etc. I also just started reading The Pilgrims Progress, and the man in the cage stood out to me. On Thursday (last week), I was on my phone, and got this conviction that I shouldn't be. I finished the email and repented, but everything felt HORRIBLE. Like the Holy Spirit had left me. I feel hard. For a few days, I felt extremely empty, but now I feel sort of normal. I've struggled I feel very convinced that I'm hell bound. I've talked to 3 pastors and another man I trust, and they think I'll be fine. They mostly think that 10:26 applies to apostacy, but the way it reads, I don't like it. What are your thoughts?. Thank you

Yes, I am saved and that because I continue in faith, which connects me to God's grace. But, if I were to turn back to willfully living as I did before I was saved and I die in that state, I would not inherit the kingdom of God. Because while in that willful state, I would not be exercising faith.

I wish you people would quit this corrupt teaching of once saved always saved!

We are save by grace through faith. Faith is what makes connection to God's grace. Faith is our part. Our salvation is dependent upon continuing from faith to faith, not just a one time faith.

There is a huge difference between a believer who sins out of weakness while they are following Christ vs. turning back and willfully living according to the sinful nature.

When a person turns back, they are no longer bearing fruit, no longer being transformed into the image of Christ. Everything stops! Either the person is going to repent and turn back to Christ or they are going to remain in that state, which leads to death. I don't even have to argue this point because the word of God has plenty of scriptures to back this up.

So let me make this clear: If a person turns back to living according to the sinful nature, while in that state they are accumulating sin and are on the their way to death. You can't just make a one time confession of Christ and then live like you were before you came to Him. If that was truth, then the warnings throughout scripture would meaningless.

There are people who received Christ and have turned back to the world and are again involved in sexual immorality, drugs, drunkenness, deception, and all of the other fruits of the sinful nature. A person is sealed if they continue in the faith that they continue in faith. Consider the following scriptures and read them carefully:

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"Once you were alienated from God and were hostile in your minds because of your evil deeds. But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence—if indeed you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard, which has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant."

Continuance in faith is required!

"We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly to the end the assurance we had at first.

"For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

Faith, faith, faith! Our salvation, the promises, our sealing are all dependent upon continuing in faith from beginning to end. If a believer goes back into the world and is once again willfully living according to the sinful nature, they have wandered away from the truth, which leads to death.

"You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I (Gentiles) could be grafted in.” That is correct: They (Israel) were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly not spare you either."

In the same way that Israel was broken off because of unbelief, so also can a Gentile believer be broken off if that person does not continue in faith.

"But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’ and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk? The master will return unannounced and unexpected, and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

The above is a perfect example of a believer turning back to willfully living according to the sinful nature. Being assigned a place with the hypocrites where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth is outer darkness. Does this sound like once saved, always saved?

"But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die."

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You better think hard about what you believe and are teaching, because you will be held accountable for it.

Once saved, always saved is true if you continue in faith from first to last.

The verses are aimed at tribulation Jews according to the quotations given from the Old Testament (Deut. 32:30–36).

Seems to me you need a little less feel and felt and a little more faith in God's promises.

Welcome to Christian Chat.

Baloney! The word of God is to both Jew and Gentile believers. There are not to difference covenants, one for the Jew and one for the Gentile. That's just an attempt to nullify what God's word is saying. I didn't see any fine print there that says, "all Gentiles please disregard what is being said here, because it is to the Jew only! They are saved in the same way that Gentiles are saved. What is written in Hebrews, is written for all!

"For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two (Jew and Gentile) one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He extinguished their hostility."

Both Jew and Gentile are all under the same plan of salvation, which is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

These are all false apologetics that you have been presenting. Instead of attempting to distort what the word of God is saying, why don't you read it and believe it. That scripture is speaking in general for anyone who would apostatize, i.e. turn away from having faith in Christ. The scripture is certainly not talking about turning away from obeying the law, because no one will be saved by the keeping of the law.

Again .
James 1
1¶James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the TWELVE TRIBES which are scattered abroad, greeting.

2¶My BRETHEREN , count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

Yes its a consistent pattern that those who hold to conditional salvation go to verses with Ot / tribulation application.

Yes, I am saved and that because I continue in faith, which connects me to God's grace. But, if I were to turn back to willfully living as I did before I was saved and I die in that state, I would not inherit the kingdom of God. Because while in that willful state, I would not be exercising faith.

According to you and others, we should weed out what books are to gentiles and the ones that are to Jews, which is false. All you are doing is repeating what you read or what someone has taught up. All of these excuses are familiar ones that other have tried to use.
Those twelve tribes are saved the same as the Gentile believer, through faith in Christ.

Repent of what you are teaching, because I can guarantee you that it is false. What false apologetic will you try to use on the following? By the way, in the scripture below, Jesus is speaking to His disciples and therefore to all believers, just in case you want to claim that it is aimed at the Jews only.

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I am the true vine, and My Father is the keeper of the vineyard. He cuts off every branch in Me that bears no fruit, and every branch that does bear fruit, He prunes to make it even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Remain in Me, and I will remain in you. Just as no branch can bear fruit by itself unless it remains in the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in Me.

I am the vine and you are the branches. The one who remains in Me, and I in him, will bear much fruit. For apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned.

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If a believer turns back to willfully living according to the sinful nature and dies in that state, then they will have not remained in Christ and therefore cannot bear fruit in that state. And you can read for yourself what happens to branches that don't bear fruit.

According to you and others, we should weed out what books are to gentiles and the ones that are to Jews, which is false. All you are doing is repeating what you read or what someone has taught up. All of these excuses are familiar ones that other have tried to use.
Those twelve tribes are saved the same as the Gentile believer, through faith in Christ.

Repent of what you are teaching, because I can guarantee you that it is false. What false apologetic will you try to use on the following? By the way, in the scripture below, Jesus is speaking to His disciples and therefore to all believers, just in case you want to claim that it is aimed at the Jews only.

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I am the true vine, and My Father is the keeper of the vineyard. He cuts off every branch in Me that bears no fruit, and every branch that does bear fruit, He prunes to make it even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Remain in Me, and I will remain in you. Just as no branch can bear fruit by itself unless it remains in the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in Me.

I am the vine and you are the branches. The one who remains in Me, and I in him, will bear much fruit. For apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned.

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If a believer turns back to willfully living according to the sinful nature and dies in that state, then they will have not remained in Christ and therefore cannot bear fruit in that state. And you can read for yourself what happens to branches that don't bear fruit.

Yes I hear many quote the verse that there's no distinction between Jews and gentiles in Christ . I agree. Yet we have a book called hebrews and another written to the 12 tribes , which is interesting.

Only if it doesn't matter who its written to . Lots overlook this simple observation.

And that book called Hebrews, as well as those written to the twelve tribes, is also to be applied to the Gentile believer. There is only one salvation, which is through faith in the shed blood of Christ. So, I don't know why you are trying to make a division between the two. All people are saved through faith in Christ. There is no difference!

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

And that book called Hebrews, as well as those written to the twelve tribes, is also to be applied to the Gentile believer. There is only one salvation, which is through faith in the shed blood of Christ. So, I don't know why you are trying to make a division between the two. All people are saved through faith in Christ. There is no difference!

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

//Yes, I am saved and that because I continue in faith, which connects me to God's grace// So your ' saved ' then unsaved, saved then unsaved ,saved , unsaved ? Wouldn't it be better to use a different word other than 'saved ' to describe your position ? It would certainly make it less confusing for me when I hear this theology .

Try pick one verse that you use to support loss of salvation and I Gurantee it will be in the category of either:
1) The OT
2) Before the cross
3) Before the resurrection
4 ) before Acts 2
5) To Israel
6) During the tribulation
7) Our walk, not our position .
8) Triggered by a buzz word . Like ' faith ' , Death , salvation ect
9 ) Nation / Groups overlooked and seen as ' individuals ' ( as in the case of Romans 11 )
These are the classic mistakes .